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Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by pazimzadeh »

stcredzero wrote: post #82
happyscrappy wrote: post #71

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No one will seriously argue against the superior build quality of Apple devices. Siri has way to go but Maps is almost there so soon there will be no point in giving your data to Google.

I still think Google Maps search is heads and shoulders above Apple Maps'. Also, the transit directions exist and work well. Both Google Maps and Apple Maps have massively betrayed me with directions.

Google Maps still has much better data, which arguably is what's most important but to me Apple Maps has a better UI. For example, Google Maps has a much lower frame rate and in general is less fluid and responsive than Apple maps.

I wish that Google provided the data and Apple the front-end design, just like in the good old days.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by stcredzero »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #91
stcredzero wrote: post #82

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I still think Google Maps search is heads and shoulders above Apple Maps'. Also, the transit directions exist and work well. Both Google Maps and Apple Maps have massively betrayed me with directions.

Google Maps still has much better data, which arguably is what's most important but to me Apple Maps has a better UI. For example, Google Maps has a much lower frame rate and in general is less fluid and responsive than Apple maps. I wish that Google provided the data and Apple the front-end design, just like in the good old days.

Right. It's amazing how much more responsive Maps was on iOS 3, even only with EDGE bandwidth!

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by rbanffy »

bananas wrote: post #84
rbanffy wrote: post #70

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I actually liked the puck mouse DEC bundled with their DECStations and VAXStations. http://arvutimuuseum.ut.ee/images/decstation_3100_mouse.jpg

I was never blessed with anything past a VT220 so didn't get to play with one of them. Really did like the VAX series of machines though. First day on the job, I was introduced to a VAXcluster that has an uptime of 6 years. Good times.

Don't feel bad. I only got to play with it for a couple hours. Maybe one day I'll be able to own one.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by stcredzero »

rbanffy wrote: post #68
qzc4 wrote: post #46

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Journalism in general. They've figured out it's more profitable to say something made-up, pretty sounding, and fake than to actually report the news .

Confirming already held opinions or large audiences is usually very profitable.

If you do it with exclusivity, high fees, and the trappings of alpha male power, you can make money like Gartner.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by jayd16 »

simonh wrote: post #73
Pxtl wrote: post #9

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Honestly, I think Apple makes stellar products (I won't use them because of IP issues, but they're still incredible produts) but talk like that - claiming your competition doesn't give a crap and is just throwing shoddy goods out the door? It reeks of desperation. Android has its faults, but it would be absurd to say that Google doesn't care about the platform. The Nexus line itself demonstrates that they want these…

Exaggeration perhaps, but hardly desperation. The thing is Google and many of the Android device manufacturers really do thow shoddy goods out the door. not always, not every product, not every time, but embarrassingly often. Anyone remember the first generation Google TV boxes with unusable UIs in which vital controls would be completely hidden by other UI elements, rendering the whole thing essentially unusable? Ev…

iPhone 4 was pretty terrible at being a cell phone.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by micampe »

morbius wrote: post #86
doktrin wrote: post #23

I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Ive actually doesn't know as much about proper design beyond the computing field; his horribly disfigured Leica M design is proof of that. Recessed dials? A photographer wouldn't be caught dead without quick access to ISO, aperture values, shutter speed, and exposure metering/bracketing. Fumbling around with fingernails inside a recessed dial is the last thing you want to do when a child is running between two trees…

That camera is rather ugly indeed, but as an (non digital) M owner:

> Recessed dials? A photographer wouldn't be caught dead without quick access to ISO, aperture values, shutter speed, and exposure metering/bracketing.

Plenty of cameras that photographers use don’t have direct access to many of those settings.

> Fumbling around with fingernails inside a recessed dial is the last thing you want to do when a child is running between two trees and the sunlight is streaming down on him, mottled from the shadows of the trees, and you've got the perfect shot.

You would miss that shot with any Leica M ever made, unless you were already set at ƒ/8 and hyperfocal, in which case this one would work just as well.

You would probably miss that shot with an H5D too, and I’m pretty sure some photographers find that useful.

Finally, that camera was not made to take pictures. It’s sad, maybe, but that’s just the way it is.

Criticism gone too far, I think.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by simonh »

jayd16 wrote: post #95
simonh wrote: post #73

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Exaggeration perhaps, but hardly desperation. The thing is Google and many of the Android device manufacturers really do thow shoddy goods out the door. not always, not every product, not every time, but embarrassingly often. Anyone remember the first generation Google TV boxes with unusable UIs in which vital controls would be completely hidden by other UI elements, rendering the whole thing essentially unusable? Ev…

iPhone 4 was pretty terrible at being a cell phone.

I used one for 2 years and now my wife uses it every day. What's supposed to be wrong with it?

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by sbuk »

morbius wrote: post #86
doktrin wrote: post #23

I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Ive actually doesn't know as much about proper design beyond the computing field; his horribly disfigured Leica M design is proof of that. Recessed dials? A photographer wouldn't be caught dead without quick access to ISO, aperture values, shutter speed, and exposure metering/bracketing. Fumbling around with fingernails inside a recessed dial is the last thing you want to do when a child is running between two trees…

> Ive actually doesn't know as much about proper design beyond the computing field

That's a heck of a claim from what amounts to an anonymous kid on the internet.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by sbuk »

erokar wrote: post #53
k-mcgrady wrote: post #30

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>> "Macbooks, while still elegant, haven't had a major design update since 2009." The retina display and removal of optical disk drives are pretty major design updates. The screen is arguably the most important part of a laptop and making it retina while still maintaining good battery life is a huge deal.

By design I mean their physcial look and feel, the industrial design. They are starting to look stale.

> They are starting to look stale.

In comparison to what? You cannot say that without backing it up. If we are going to critique design, let's do it properly.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by [deleted] »

bananas wrote: post #81
Geee wrote: post #64

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You're holding them wrong. Seriously, what do you mean by 'goes flat'? The bottom wears off? Or battery? Just get a charger, not a big deal. Also, I can't find a position where it nips my fingers. Bottom doesn't fall of if you close it properly. I haven't had any of such problems with Magic Mouse, although I miss the middle button. Scrolling in both directions is much better than any other mouse.

Batteries. I bought a charger and Sanyo Eneloops (low self discharge). Life is terrible. Stick your fingers on the side and press the top down - ouch. Bottom does fall off mine even when closed "properly".

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