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Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by bananas »

Geee wrote: post #64
bananas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magic mouse (I own one): goes flat after only a month, nips your fingers at the sides when you press it, bottom keeps falling off, makes your hands hurt. Mighty mouse (I owned one): ball that stopped working instantly when you used it and the only way to get it clean involved destroying the mouse. Pro mouse (I owned one): cable frayed after no less than two weeks. Apple USB puck mouse: just totally unusable pile of c…

You're holding them wrong. Seriously, what do you mean by 'goes flat'? The bottom wears off? Or battery? Just get a charger, not a big deal. Also, I can't find a position where it nips my fingers. Bottom doesn't fall of if you close it properly. I haven't had any of such problems with Magic Mouse, although I miss the middle button. Scrolling in both directions is much better than any other mouse.

Batteries. I bought a charger and Sanyo Eneloops (low self discharge). Life is terrible. Stick your fingers on the side and press the top down - ouch. Bottom does fall off mine even when closed "properly".

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by stcredzero »

happyscrappy wrote: post #71
badman_ting wrote: post #21

I'm guessing he doesn't work on the Maps app, or Siri. Apologies for the snark but when you're playing at this level and talking big talk about how great your products are, you gotta back it up.

No one will seriously argue against the superior build quality of Apple devices. Siri has way to go but Maps is almost there so soon there will be no point in giving your data to Google.

I still think Google Maps search is heads and shoulders above Apple Maps'. Also, the transit directions exist and work well. Both Google Maps and Apple Maps have massively betrayed me with directions.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by bananas »

qzc4 wrote: post #50
bananas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magic mouse (I own one): goes flat after only a month, nips your fingers at the sides when you press it, bottom keeps falling off, makes your hands hurt. Mighty mouse (I owned one): ball that stopped working instantly when you used it and the only way to get it clean involved destroying the mouse. Pro mouse (I owned one): cable frayed after no less than two weeks. Apple USB puck mouse: just totally unusable pile of c…

For the Mighty Mouse you just need to kind of turn it upside down and roll it on a piece of paper to clean it out. But I guess you're right, the only time I really use a mouse for an extended period of time is when browsing the internet or in one of the crappy IntelliJ things which don't seem to even allow you to close a tab with the keyboard. Apple mice are bad, but I guess I meant that my experience hasn't been sig…

I tried the paper trick but it didn't work for me after a couple of months. Got it replaced at Apple store and sold it quick.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by bananas »

rbanffy wrote: post #70
bananas wrote: post #38

Let us not forget, he designed the "Puck Mouse" that came with the iMac and G3 towers...

I actually liked the puck mouse DEC bundled with their DECStations and VAXStations. http://arvutimuuseum.ut.ee/images/decstation_3100_mouse.jpg

I was never blessed with anything past a VT220 so didn't get to play with one of them. Really did like the VAX series of machines though. First day on the job, I was introduced to a VAXcluster that has an uptime of 6 years. Good times.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by k-mcgrady »

dalek2point3 wrote: post #52

" has meant we have known little about the man who shapes the future, with such innovations as the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad." really? Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews. there's a reason he's famous and well-known. sheesh.

>> Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews.

Sources? I've only ever seen a few interviews with Ive, nothing in depth and usually related to design with very little emphasis on Apple.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by morbius »

doktrin wrote: post #23

I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Ive actually doesn't know as much about proper design beyond the computing field; his horribly disfigured Leica M design is proof of that. Recessed dials? A photographer wouldn't be caught dead without quick access to ISO, aperture values, shutter speed, and exposure metering/bracketing. Fumbling around with fingernails inside a recessed dial is the last thing you want to do when a child is running between two trees and the sunlight is streaming down on him, mottled from the shadows of the trees, and you've got the perfect shot.

Minimalism gone too far? I suppose so.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by genericuser »

lazyjones wrote: post #65
ameister14 wrote: post #57

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How is that begging for a scathing reply? >People who need to save $200 on a tablet where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all You essentially said that if you cant afford the 200 dollars more for an arguably better product, you don't actually need it or its substitutes. I made an analogy with food. Just because I can't afford to eat something expensive doesn't mean I shouldn't eat anything beyond the c…

> I made an analogy with food. But electronic gadgets aren't food. One of my points was that they are (to the extent we spend money on) not necessary. It's indicative of an attempt to derail this that you chose an analogy with, of all things, food (which is kinda necessary, don't you agree?). > You don't know if a guy making 500 dollars a week needs a tablet for some reason, but you at least appear to think he doesn'…

The point you are defending is not the point you stated.

You stated >People who need to save $200 on a tablet where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all

You are defending the point >People where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by kalleboo »

Bud wrote: post #14
Jtsummers wrote: post #10

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I've seen many complaints about the charge cables, but never had an issue myself. Are there just some bad batches running around, or is it a particular model that's had issues?

It's a problem with people who think they can wind a power cable tightly around something hundreds of times, pay no attention to strain on it or to abusing the weak point where it enters the charger, and then are mystified when it finally fails. Apple's chargers are in fact much, much tougher than the competition's; this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds and even more obvious if you go…

> this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds

BS. When they introduced the current design they had no strain relief, because Steve Jobs thought they were ugly. Guess what? You need a damn strain relief. Year by year their strain reliefs have gotten longer and longer, but they still have a sharp cutoff (that looks pretty, I'll grant them that) that causes the cable to bunch up and break.

And they've made mistakes with their materials choices as well. My parents had a Magsafe charger by the TV, used when sitting in the sofa. After a couple years, the plastic in the little clip you're supposed to use to wind up the cable reacted with the plastic in the cable, and if you moved it, it just tore the cable sheathing apart.

> more obvious if you go read a tear-down of them

The electronics are solid, I'll grant them that. But in the exterior they made tradeoffs for looks.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by dalek2point3 »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #85
dalek2point3 wrote: post #52

" has meant we have known little about the man who shapes the future, with such innovations as the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad." really? Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews. there's a reason he's famous and well-known. sheesh.

>> Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews. Sources? I've only ever seen a few interviews with Ive, nothing in depth and usually related to design with very little emphasis on Apple.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=johnny%20ive&sm=...

I remember watching Ive in a conversation with Steven Fry on Fry's tour of the US. He was even on Charlie Rose.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by Dwolb »

mrcwinn wrote: post #2

Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

I'm very interested in Musk's comment. Do you know where I can find a source?

I do automotive product development and I've always felt that materials really do make a difference. I also feel that time can sometimes play a bigger difference to perfect design than cost.

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