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Introducing OneNote for Mac

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Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

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except for the fact that you can print and export in other versions of onenote. and this is a 1.0

That's exactly the problem. I would expect these essential missing features from a beta, not a release.

how is it essential? I've gotten plenty of work done using onenote on my surface pro and it's been months since I've needed to open a onenote file from the filesystem.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#112

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except for the fact that you can print and export in other versions of onenote. and this is a 1.0

That's exactly the problem. I would expect these essential missing features from a beta, not a release.

and the last time i printed something from onenote was in college.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

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A big update for Office for Mac is also supposed to be incoming soon. (as in, a major update like Office for Mac 2014 kind of major) I agree that the current stuff is kind of janky and it would be nice if it got fixed, though. My wife writes novels with it and tends to have 10+ documents open, which makes it freak out sometimes and totally stop working. Hopefully the new version will work a lot better, not be too exp…

> My wife writes novels with it… Honest question: what does Word offer the novelist that a plain text (or rich text) editor would not? I've known others who have worked on a novel in Word, but I just can't imagine a workflow where binary Word documents would be better than plain text.

I can't say specifically why she values using Word as her text editor of choice, due to not being in her head. I know she uses some features such as adding notes to pieces of text (which I know she uses to track what she needs to work on/revisit later, etc.), but I don't know how many of those features she uses or how many advanced features she touches.

I suspect a large part of the reason she sticks with it though is threefold: familiarity, volume of content in the Word format, and working with agents/publishers. (like another commenter mentioned) She's already familiar and comfortable with using Word, and so she can be productive and just get things done by sticking to what she knows. (she has expressed displeasure with the idea of upgrading due to possible UI changes) She has a /HUGE/ amount of stuff already written using Word, and moving that to anything else would be a herculean undertaking which is, honestly, not worth her time. And using an automated tool to attempt to do so could lose information, which she is already extremely protective of. Lastly, because she needs to work with other people, and might submit documents to those other people in a digital format, it basically needs to be in Word, otherwise that person is unlikely to ever even touch her stuff. Having to deal with agents as a writer is harsh, as they won't even tell you if you did anything wrong. They'll just ignore you. Submitting an unknown, uncomfortable format to those people will just cause them to ignore her anytime she tries to submit anything.

While you might consider plain text to be the ultimate format which is compatible and usable everywhere, people who are not tech people (my wife is not very "techy") just want to get things done with tools that are highly supported, comfortable for them, and widely recognized and used by the people they need to interact with. While you might consider VIM/Emacs/Sublime Text/ to be the ultimate editing environment, anybody in the world my wife deals with will just give you a blank stare the moment you try to deal with those people using those tools.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#114
It is a good movement from Microsoft. For the last couple of year, they have partially ignored the mac environment. Eg: Office is not retina display yet.

I compare immediately with Evernote, a daily tool in my case. I like the idea of concurrents for Evernote.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

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I've been looking forward to OneNote on the Mac for years. I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; all notebooks appear to be synced through the OneDrive cloud. WTF? There's not even the option to encrypt notebooks in the cloud. I'm just not going to share all my personal thoughts and notes with the NSA. I'm disappointed.

The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. Everything is synced with the cloud.

So I share my ideas with Microsoft and the NSA?

NO WAY.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

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Meh. Against my better judgment, I downloaded it and poked around. Predictably, it does not play well others. Most notable, there is no export functionality. There is a 'Share as PDF' which is (a) not the same, and (b) broken for me because 'my email program is not set up properly' which is false. Hard to trust. (Evernote has a fine export capability, fwiw). One Note will, however, appeal to people who prefer 'struct…

I just want to chime in on how frustrating it is that you can't save Outlook emails in a standard non-mircorosft format that another mail client can understand (even Outlook on Windows) - apparently it saves it as ".olm" format (Outlook for Mac). Serious WTF here. For this reason alone, I'm still using a Windows VM simply for the "real" Outlook for work purposes.

FYI

If you drag one or more e-mail message out of Outlook for Mac, it creates .eml files. These are just RFC2822 MIME source with a file extension—almost any mail client out there can read them. If you drag an entire folder out, it creates a .mbox file. This is also a standard that many mail clients can read/import (Mail.app included).

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

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post #109

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> what does Word offer the novelist that a plain text (or rich text) editor would not? It handles large documents efficiently, renders them nicely, and has a ton of features for working with large prose documents. Plain text has no value to most users since they use no other tools that work with raw text. If you don't use git, grep, cat, find, diff, etc. there's no effective difference between binary in text: in both…

"It handles large documents efficiently" - and plain text doesn't? That's just an insanely bad reason to use word. Vim can open, edit and "handle" very large documents with ease. A typical novel - even one by Thomas Pynchon is trivially small for plain txt. At roughly 300k words for a long novel, 400k if you're Tolstoy, that's tiny. Spell check maybe is a reason, no writer wants to admit they can't spell "Hemingway",…

Most of the world doesn't want to deal with Vim's normal vs insert modes. Nor do they want to engage in a philosophical battle about proprietary formats vs plain text. Most people just want to get stuff done, and in this case, send their work to other writers in a recognizable form that they can easily read, edit, make comments on, etc. Word and other programs offer that to them. Plain text and Vim do not.
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