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Introducing OneNote for Mac

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Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#52

I've been looking forward to OneNote on the Mac for years. I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; all notebooks appear to be synced through the OneDrive cloud. WTF? There's not even the option to encrypt notebooks in the cloud. I'm just not going to share all my personal thoughts and notes with the NSA. I'm disappointed.

The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. Everything is synced with the cloud.

  > The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always
  > (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way.
No, it has not always "worked this way" and it still doesn't across the board. I've been using OneNote for ~13 years (since the 2000 version). And in fact, the Windows versions continue to support offline notebooks despite Microsoft's attempts to shoehorn people onto the cloud.

A rather common OneNote usage scenario I see is a OneNote notebook on a company file share, or a shared Dropbox folder. OneNote supports multiple concurrent edits of a single notebook.

Not everyone wants everything in the cloud.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#53

I've been looking forward to OneNote on the Mac for years. I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; all notebooks appear to be synced through the OneDrive cloud. WTF? There's not even the option to encrypt notebooks in the cloud. I'm just not going to share all my personal thoughts and notes with the NSA. I'm disappointed.

and no OneDrive for Business support still. Really tough to sell any company on using that service unless they're a homogenous Windows environment. "It's kinda like DropBox except you have to always use Windows".

Microsoft: supporting BYOD as long as you're bringing Windows.

On a positive note, it's nice to see Microsoft being a good ecosystem citizen and using the Mac App Store. OneNote is visually pleasant, at the same time familiar to Windows users but not foreign to those accustomed to Mac OS.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big update for Office for Mac is also supposed to be incoming soon. (as in, a major update like Office for Mac 2014 kind of major) I agree that the current stuff is kind of janky and it would be nice if it got fixed, though. My wife writes novels with it and tends to have 10+ documents open, which makes it freak out sometimes and totally stop working. Hopefully the new version will work a lot better, not be too exp…

> My wife writes novels with it… Honest question: what does Word offer the novelist that a plain text (or rich text) editor would not? I've known others who have worked on a novel in Word, but I just can't imagine a workflow where binary Word documents would be better than plain text.

> what does Word offer the novelist that a plain text (or rich text) editor would not?

It handles large documents efficiently, renders them nicely, and has a ton of features for working with large prose documents.

Plain text has no value to most users since they use no other tools that work with raw text. If you don't use git, grep, cat, find, diff, etc. there's no effective difference between binary in text: in both cases they are just a blob of bits you load into a program.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#56
I wish it felt like it was made for the Mac -- hopefully they'll work on it more.

- Standard Mac keyboard shortcuts don't work (ie. ctrl-a & ctrl-e to move to beginning and end of lines)

- Can't drag a picture from the Finder into the OneNote

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#58
Meh. Against my better judgment, I downloaded it and poked around. Predictably, it does not play well others. Most notable, there is no export functionality. There is a 'Share as PDF' which is (a) not the same, and (b) broken for me because 'my email program is not set up properly' which is false. Hard to trust. (Evernote has a fine export capability, fwiw).

One Note will, however, appeal to people who prefer 'structuring' over 'tagging'. In fact, if you prefer tagging, look elsewhere. The tagging support here is abysmal. There are tags, but they are canned and the user can't add their own tags. So you have 'Definition' and 'Idea' (which thankfully is not "Idea!") and 'To do priority 2'. And only the ones that the people at MS thought you might think were important. Even more bizarre, they seem to be only visual labels. You don't appear to be able to search for items matching a given tag. Wtf. Am I using a computer or not?

I will say that they seem to have nailed all the account management, in particular two-factor auth, for the 'microsoft accounts'. But they did this largely by copying google's two-factor auth stuff. Which, to be honest, is what I would have done too since it's pretty good. Anyway, they don't appear to have screwed that up. That's a plus and not super-easy. Separate from One Note though.

The tagging fiasco and lack of export are both unconscionable though and embarrassing, imo. They are not an early entrant here; they need to do better than the competition, not notably worse. Plus this is an old product for them, just new to the mac. Bill, where are you? Surely this is easier than Malaria.

Re: Introducing OneNote for Mac

#60

Meh. Against my better judgment, I downloaded it and poked around. Predictably, it does not play well others. Most notable, there is no export functionality. There is a 'Share as PDF' which is (a) not the same, and (b) broken for me because 'my email program is not set up properly' which is false. Hard to trust. (Evernote has a fine export capability, fwiw). One Note will, however, appeal to people who prefer 'struct…

tl;dr "It's not the same as evernote". I think that's a good thing; if two products are identical, it's hard to choose between them.

Also, if you think Microsoft's account management stuff is well put together, you... clearly haven't tried to manage a bunch of windows 8, XBox, skype and live accounts for an entire family over the past couple of years. It's a mess, and the only answer MS ever has for issues with an account is "make a new one".

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