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Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by Shivetya »

doktrin wrote: post #23

I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Well its not like they had to look far for inspiration, some of the products of the 30s through 50s were amazing. When manufactures, designers and engineers, started down the path of mass production many of them did it with beautifully designed products, from lights, dishes, appliances, to cars.

Being a fan of the art deco periods and vintage glass its not like Apple invented getting it down to the details, however they may be worth crediting for reminding us of when design, appearance, and quality, could all go together. Got a toaster from the 50s that meets all of those and still works; 1B16

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by dalek2point3 »

" has meant we have known little about the man who shapes the future, with such innovations as the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad."

really? Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews. there's a reason he's famous and well-known. sheesh.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by erokar »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #30
erokar wrote: post #28

Apple needs to step their game up. The Mac Pro is arguably the most interesting they have produced in the last few years. Macbooks, while still elegant, haven't had a major design update since 2009. iPhone and iPad updates were evolutionary. iOS 7 is a travesty of aesthetic shortcomings, elementary design errors and bugs. Apple can't afford to be smug any more.

>> "Macbooks, while still elegant, haven't had a major design update since 2009." The retina display and removal of optical disk drives are pretty major design updates. The screen is arguably the most important part of a laptop and making it retina while still maintaining good battery life is a huge deal.

By design I mean their physcial look and feel, the industrial design. They are starting to look stale.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by dilap »

bananas wrote: post #41
dilap wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually really liked the previous-generation Apple earphones -- decent sound-quality, while also letting in lots of outside noise, which makes them safe-ish when used on the street. The latest generation sadly (and ironically) doesn't fit in my ear. So far, when I see someone trashing Apple headphones, they go on to recommend something which forms a tight-seal in the ear -- without a doubt better sounding, but rea…

Safe outside? Big white arrow pointing to something expensive in your pocket!

Safer in that you can hear whats around you, I meant :)

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by nicholassmith »

I like how every interviewer will try get a leading question about future product development, just in case there's a bit of senility that day "Oh yeah that jetpack we're...wait a minute!". It's a bit redundant, we know Apple will work on something new, we know they won't say.

Aside from that, nice to read some of Ives thoughts on design.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by sirkneeland »

jayvanguard wrote: post #31
mantrax wrote: post #12

I don't get this, I never will. So this journalist gets access to Ive himself, does an interview, then feels the need to hide that interview and retell it to us, inserting mini-quotes here there. Why!? Give us the damn interview !

I wonder if a condition of the interview was that it was abridged and Apple got to approve it before publication.

Almost assuredly.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by ameister14 »

lazyjones wrote: post #35
ameister14 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$200 is not a small amount of money for most people. It's also pretty offensive how you casually decide what people do and do not need. Sure, I technically don't need a lot of things; I could probably live on a diet mostly consisting of cabbage, egg and rice. Does that mean I should, if I can't afford to eat foie gras?

> Does that mean I should, if I can't afford to eat foie gras? This is just begging for a scathing reply. Please eat healthy food and if necessary, buy fewer Android tablets to afford it. Foie gras likely isn't good for you, cabbage, egg and rice is probably a much better diet.

How is that begging for a scathing reply?

>People who need to save $200 on a tablet where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all

You essentially said that if you cant afford the 200 dollars more for an arguably better product, you don't actually need it or its substitutes.

I made an analogy with food. Just because I can't afford to eat something expensive doesn't mean I shouldn't eat anything beyond the cheapest basic staples.

I could have just as easily made the analogy in another way, say with tools: i.e. if I can't afford the extra 200 dollars for a better, more powerful drill, I don't need a drill at all.

A tablet is in essence a tool, just like a drill is.

The reason I found this offensive is because you're talking about need as if you're its great arbiter. You don't know if a guy making 500 dollars a week needs a tablet for some reason, but you at least appear to think he doesn't deserve one if he can't afford the apple model.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by MaysonL »

skore wrote: post #27

> A phone is just a phone, not the second coming of Christ. “What people are responding to is much bigger than the object. They are responding to something rare — a group of people who do more than simply make something work, they make the very best products they possibly can. It’s a demonstration against thoughtlessness and carelessness,” > [...]when I ask whether he is flattered or frustrated when he sees his desig…

> Maybe the identity crisis that Apple has isn't so much their inability to find the next big thing, but their over-attachment to their past hits? Perhaps the key to new glory is letting go of the old glory and sharing it with the world, their ego removed from the equation?

Compare Microsoft's attachment to, and unwillingness to consider letting go of, Windows, with Apple's triaging of the iPod and Mac...

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by sirkneeland »

erokar wrote: post #53
k-mcgrady wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "Macbooks, while still elegant, haven't had a major design update since 2009." The retina display and removal of optical disk drives are pretty major design updates. The screen is arguably the most important part of a laptop and making it retina while still maintaining good battery life is a huge deal.

By design I mean their physcial look and feel, the industrial design. They are starting to look stale.

The flip side of looking stale is looking iconic.

(not saying I personally feel they are, but they definitely have an unmistakable look over the years, similar to a BMW 3 series)

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by Akuma »

bananas wrote: post #39
qzc4 wrote: post #34

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I don't see much wrong with them, other than the new backwards scrolling, disappearing scrollbars and rubberbanding. I use the Magic Mouse, which to me feels pretty nice. The only trouble I have really had is that they're crap for gaming. Then again, I don't touch my mouse very often.

Magic mouse (I own one): goes flat after only a month, nips your fingers at the sides when you press it, bottom keeps falling off, makes your hands hurt. Mighty mouse (I owned one): ball that stopped working instantly when you used it and the only way to get it clean involved destroying the mouse. Pro mouse (I owned one): cable frayed after no less than two weeks. Apple USB puck mouse: just totally unusable pile of c…

The puck is horrible.

However, for regular office use Magic Mouse probably is the most pleasant mouse I've used (and I've used a lot of different models). Never been pinched. And it's in one piece still (bought it just after it was released).

For gaming it's more or less unusable though… I need my scroll to be tactile, and I also need to be able to use both mouse buttons at the same time. Long live Logitech MX 500/510/518 for fragging!

Too bad that you've had bad experiences with Magic Mouse.

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