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Re: What Dreams May Come

#81

So the house you purchased and the van you upgraded to are not yours, disposing of your body costs more than a car, visiting family means you have to stay in a hotel, the basic survival needs of your wife and four children are not guaranteed and you want to visit Disneyland and meet celebrities before you die? Capitalism is beautiful.

That's not capitalism. That's the credit system and nanny state at work.

Re: What Dreams May Come

#82

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What Capitalism? America is the largest welfare state in history. Total government expenditures are nearly the size of China's GDP. What we have is corporatism, plunder by a combination of bureaucrats + government protected corporations (see: Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Exxon, Pfizer, etc). I wish we had Capitalism. All we have is an extraordinarily misdirected, poorly run welfare state.

in that case, it can be argued that the soviet union was not real Communism either.

It wasn't and many people do argue that whenever the subject comes up.

Re: What Dreams May Come

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What Capitalism? America is the largest welfare state in history. Total government expenditures are nearly the size of China's GDP. What we have is corporatism, plunder by a combination of bureaucrats + government protected corporations (see: Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Exxon, Pfizer, etc). I wish we had Capitalism. All we have is an extraordinarily misdirected, poorly run welfare state.

in that case, it can be argued that the soviet union was not real Communism either.

The difference being, to achieve full Communism you have to kill everyone or enslave them completely such that they have no rights. Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Fidel, Kim il-Sung - they all gave it their best try.

And your comparison isn't accurate at all. There are obvious and often massive differences between America's economic models of 1825, 1910, 1960, and 2014. 2014 isn't in any respect similar to the 1825 or 1910 versions. To argue that America in 2014 is highly Capitalistic, is to argue that Capitalism is compatible with a government system taking 40% of the economy through taxation, massive wealth redistribution, government interference in essentially every sector, nationalization (quasi or total) of core economic segments, welfare programs sprawling to hundreds of billions in cost, tens of thousands of regulations covering every field, and on and on - basically it's like saying that Capitalism can be anything. It can't, it's a specific type of model.

Re: What Dreams May Come

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What Capitalism? America is the largest welfare state in history. Total government expenditures are nearly the size of China's GDP. What we have is corporatism, plunder by a combination of bureaucrats + government protected corporations (see: Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Exxon, Pfizer, etc). I wish we had Capitalism. All we have is an extraordinarily misdirected, poorly run welfare state.

You can't separate the state out like that and pretend it's not a player. Capitalism is what gives rise to corporatism. Oh, and welfare state is not a bad word. Some of the most prosperous and equitable countries in the world are welfare states[0]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Nordic countries only implanted welfare after they developed economy. Welfare State means the goverment can take your money and spent it in what they they think is best for you.

Re: What Dreams May Come

#86

Jonathan here. Being woke up by my wife crying because the donations just aren't stopping is both heart-breaking and comforting. For those of you who haven't seen the 'Bucket List' post, here's what it says at the very top: As I try to deal with the reality that is my impending death I can't help but wonder how many things I might have been able to accomplish given just a little more time. When I was diagnosed, I had…

Is there anything people can do to help further beyond donations? Anything your family needs?

Re: What Dreams May Come

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There are over 7 billion people on the planet. A day doesn't go by without a story like this. We just don't hear about most of them. Someday a person like this will simply go to his doctor, get a prescription, and go on to live a normal life. Rather than dwelling on sadness, maybe we should ask if there isn't something we can do, as a group, to make that day arrive sooner. What would it take to cure, or at least trea…

Without sounding unfeeling, do we really want to add to the overcrowding and population explosion problem that much? Earth is full. Our population has doubled in the short time I've been alive. Doesn't that scare the shit out of anyone else? Imagine what would happen if you suddenly cured all forms of cancer. People would live even longer. Population would shoot up. Lack of housing, lack of jobs. More pensioners... e…

Technological progress is outpacing population growth (especially in first world countries where the population is actually stable.) We will likely get to a technological singularity before we run into serious resource problems. I hope we can keep as many living people alive until then as possible.

Re: What Dreams May Come

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I feel nothing but sympathy for Jonathan. I can barely imagine the pain he and his family would be going through :( What are the medical costs for someone with terminal cancer in the USA? I assume they're pretty astronomical, so I can understand why he'd ask for help (I'm donating myself). In terms of his house and the like, I was always led to believe that life insurance was specifically for cases like his? Is life…

Thank you girvo. With regards to costs, thus far it is at $285,000 of which I am responsible for $3,000. That doesn't include the cost of the premiums which run us $400 / month and will soon increase as I'll be paying cobra rates instead of the employee rate. The chemo is $11,000 / month and I've been averaging a hospital stay every two weeks as my body breaks down and those average about $20,000 / week if I don't require any kind of specialized treatment. Radiation treatment was $102,000 by itself and insurance would only cover it if the doctor said I had a life expectancy of more than 6 months. There will come a time when I can't get the treatment I need because it's too expensive and not covered by insurance. I'm honestly afraid that time will be sooner rather than later as the average life expectancy for someone with my diagnosis is 9 months.

Re: What Dreams May Come

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5) He hasn't offered a sensible and complete policy - what counts as saving lives? Cancer treatment? What about transplant surgery? What about amputations? What about medicines that prevent many conditions from becoming serious? Or lets make things really fun - what about mental illness? How about a person who's solving overpopulation in some way who suddenly contracts cancer? Where does one draw the line and who get…

There is no solution I can see, and that's worrying. While we're all running around curing diseases, solving global warming etc, the thing that will kill off our species is our own "success".

6. You're expressing yesterday's fear. Population growth in the first world is stable, low, or even negative. We currently have no reason to believe that the third world's population growth won't do the same. Current projections for peak world population are "a little bit larger than now" instead of "trillions and trillions", and the problems of providing for them indefinitely "surmountable".

Re: What Dreams May Come

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in that case, it can be argued that the soviet union was not real Communism either.

It wasn't and many people do argue that whenever the subject comes up.

I know, my point is that both "real" capitalism (the libertarian kind) and "real" communism are fantasies.
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