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Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by Fr0styMatt »

sxcurry wrote: post #33
Ethan_Mick wrote: post #20

I've been running the latest beta for a while, and I'm updating my devices now. Here's my beef: This came too late. For months now - ever since iOS 7 came out, I've had to tell people "iOS 7 is great, but buggy. Don't worry, Apple will release 7.1 soon that will fix a lot of these issues." Time, and time again, I said that. With each beta it became more and more obvious that Apple wasn't releasing a quick fix for the…

This is interesting - I've been using iOS7 since the day it came out and don't think I've seen a serious bug yet, certainly not hundreds of them. I really am curious - is it the hardware (iPhone 5s here) or different usage patterns? I'm a developer too, and just haven't had this experience. Please let me know a couple of the specific bugs you've seen, as I'd like to try and recreate them before upgrading to 7.1

On a 3rd gen iPad here and by far my biggest issue has been that multiple background downloads (a batch of app updates or track downloads from the store for example) will more often than not cause the whole device to deadlock, with the only way to recover being to do the power + home button hard-reboot combo.

Really hoping this was fixed in 7.1, which I'm running now and so far seems smoother (doesn't stutter anymore when switching to the task switcher view, for example).

The other persistently anooying bug I've seen has to do with text fields on some webpages (eg Outlook Web Access and the Amazon Kindle web app) where if you tap to change the cursor position inside the field, you can no longer type characters in it and have to deselect the field (by tapping another on the same page) and then reselecting it again. Makes fields on many pages simply un-editable (the Amazon web app is the worst as you have to leave the store section entirely and it breakd the product Search field). Not sure if it's page or Webkit specific but it'a been around unfixed even on iOS 6 if I remember right. Fingers crossed on that one :)

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by sbuk »

iPhone4Suser wrote: post #220

iOS 7.1 now on my 4S and guess what: it has crashed at least 7 or 8 times in the few hours I've had the iOS update thanks a lot, crApple

You created an account just to say that? Wow.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by masklinn »

alphakappa wrote: post #218
masklinn wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen two annoying bugs so far: * the music player corrupts itself and starts skipping all songs, may or may not be fixed by rebooting the device. May require resynchronising all the music (remove/readd everything) * it regularly decides to stop opening sync sessions with iTunes and has to be rebooted Apart from that it's been pretty smooth sailing. Oh yeah, and every single update re-enables bluetooth, that's an…

Just curious - why do you disable bluetooth? Does it have an impact on your battery life?

I disable it because I've absolutely no use for it, and it's one more possible attack vector on the device. I've no idea if it has an impact on battery life (and it's probably not much of one in the context of my normal use of the device).

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by masklinn »

jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

> frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade

You didn't live through 4.0 with a 3G did you?

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by jwr »

arrrg wrote: post #192
jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

Well, it’s a real damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for Apple. If they cut off support they are evil for making old devices obsolete too quickly. If they don’t cut off support they get poor performance with an OS that takes advantage of all the performance in the newest models.

That's not the issue here.

Making a new version of iOS that doesn't run as well on older devices — that's fine. I understand that iPhone 4 wasn't a priority (but note that in spite of what many people mindlessly repeat, iPhone 4 performance problems were not because of "new animations and effects").

What I have a problem with is:

* pretending that all devices should be upgraded, even though iPhone 4 clearly should not have been included given the abysmal performance,

* disabling downgrades (it's not that they are technically impossible, it's that Apple specifically disabled them after several days),

The goal was to show how unified the iOS ecosystem is: so-and-so-many percent of users upgraded immediately, there is one version to develop for, etc — but I was sacrificed on the way to that goal. That is not OK.

Net result was that for several months my phone was a useless piece of crap, taking forever to do anything, missing taps and swipes, taking screenshots of the lock screen instead of switching on, etc. That is not OK.

In the future, warn me that there are performance problems and that the upgrade is possible, but not advised. And give me the possibility to switch back.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by [deleted] »

frik wrote: post #165
jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

I am still on iOS 6.1 on my iPad2. It's fast and looks nice. Beside the design change, v7 and 7.1 are more a minor update. How fast is iOS 7.1 on iPad2?

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Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by zimpenfish »

acqq wrote: post #48
acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

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Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by speleding »

speleding wrote: post #197

Oh no, they've removed the useful little feature where you could scroll through all your appointments by clicking the search icon and not enter anything. Still works on iPad but not on iPhone. Why would they do that?

Ah, I just discovered the feature is still there, just moved to a different spot: you need to "zoom in" to a day and then there is a new icon that will show list view. Note that you cannot get there unless the new combined month/list view is switched _off_

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by zimpenfish »

untog wrote: post #66
gress wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users only need that on Android because the OS doesn't manage power consumption of apps adequately.

An iPhone app is capable of sitting in the background tracking your location with battery draining GPS, too.

Location tracking doesn't drain your GPS. I have at least 4 apps running using location tracking on my iPhone (albeit with the help of the M7) and can go 6+ hours only losing 20% of battery life (implying 30 hours of use.)

The key, of course, is that the phone was in my pocket for 95% of those 6 hours. Actually using it drains far more battery than all those location tracking apps combined.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by zimpenfish »

sxcurry wrote: post #33
Ethan_Mick wrote: post #20

I've been running the latest beta for a while, and I'm updating my devices now. Here's my beef: This came too late. For months now - ever since iOS 7 came out, I've had to tell people "iOS 7 is great, but buggy. Don't worry, Apple will release 7.1 soon that will fix a lot of these issues." Time, and time again, I said that. With each beta it became more and more obvious that Apple wasn't releasing a quick fix for the…

This is interesting - I've been using iOS7 since the day it came out and don't think I've seen a serious bug yet, certainly not hundreds of them. I really am curious - is it the hardware (iPhone 5s here) or different usage patterns? I'm a developer too, and just haven't had this experience. Please let me know a couple of the specific bugs you've seen, as I'd like to try and recreate them before upgrading to 7.1

My 5s has definitely been a bit buggy but I'm putting that down to "whole new 64bit OS and SDKs and app developers who never follow the documentation and whoops, now it's all gone to cock when things change".
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