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Re: Exist

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Disagree with the pricing. This feels like a 10USD/mo service tops.

Then you'll be happy to know it is a $5/mo service. The $53 backer number is annual, and the launch price will be $6 AUD per month. So backing early gets you in for $4.41 USD per month.

Re: Exist

#102
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best use of this data isn't for finding problems, but for evaluating solutions: - Do I sleep better if I don't listen to techno music before going to bed? - Does not exercising late in the evening help? - How about not drinking coffee in the afternoon? - Lowering the room temperature? Sometimes the effects are obvious, but often they are subtle, and it's easy to delude yourself (for a while at least) that a solut…

That is researcher's job. Need at least thousands ppl's stats to get a small conclusion.

Researchers do studies that show e.g. that drinking coffee in the afternoon has a significant effect on sleep (let's say it results in an average of 15 minutes less sleep, p This is valuable information, but people are different, so the question is, to what extent does this apply to me?

Genetics might help predict this (rs762551 ?), but in practice I'll just need to test this for myself.

The notion that there aren't always one-size-fits-all solutions is well accepted (though often still not well implemented) in medicine (a.k.a. personalized medicine).

Re: Exist

#103

What resources do they need to launch exist? 30k per founder for 6 months seems like quite a lot of money.

These guys live in here Melbourne, cost of living is pretty crazy high. Sure, you could get away with paying yourself less than that, but 60k (less business expenses) puts them in the realm of basic office clerk. Maybe the startup founder's lot in life is to be poor while they are starting up, so could probably do it with less. But they are hardly overstepping the mark.

There are a few schools of thought with founder salaries for early stage startups (assuming you have money to pay salary).

1. Pay yourself the barest minimum you can to survive, which may be 0.

2. Pay yourself just enough that you're not worried about money.

High founder salaries, especially in early stages goes against many investment theses.

Re: Exist

#104

Wow so much dismissal and negativity here. I admit that some of these metrics are trivial and perhaps useless, but I think this is a looking glass into how life will be in the future. Everything in your life will be monitored and there will probably be interesting knowledge that surfaces. For example, I would like to know what foods I eat that effect my mood positively or negatively. I would like to know emergent rou…

> I would like mountains of data to tell me if I am really happy in my life Is happiness really found in measurable things? How am I supposed to measure how happy it makes me when my son grins ear to ear when I get home from work? Happiness, as far as I'm concerned, is found in contentment, love and purpose. I don't see a way to measure any of these things. And I certainly don't need a website to tell me if I have th…

Agreed. I actually like these types of products, but I object to the idea that a massive amount of data is going to define whether or not you're happy. If you need to sift through a massive amount of data to determine that, then no, you're probably not happy.

On the other hand, these products can help you achieve some "thing" that might make you happier. For instance, being fit might make you happy, and seeing how far you traveled each day may motivate you to walk further every day.

But the amount of steps you walk shouldn't define your happiness. And if you try to draw happiness from that, I would guess it's going to be a failed endeavor.

Re: Exist

#105
post #100
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best use of this data isn't for finding problems, but for evaluating solutions: - Do I sleep better if I don't listen to techno music before going to bed? - Does not exercising late in the evening help? - How about not drinking coffee in the afternoon? - Lowering the room temperature? Sometimes the effects are obvious, but often they are subtle, and it's easy to delude yourself (for a while at least) that a solut…

That is researcher's job. Need at least thousands ppl's stats to get a small conclusion.

"That is researcher's job" - Appeal to authority fallacy. We all can collect stats, run experiments, and draw conclusions. Some of us will have a better grounding in theory than others, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't experiment anyways. It's like saying "nobody but professional chefs should cook"

"Need at least thousands ppl's stats to get a small conclusion". - Not necessarily. It depends on the design of your experiment, the distribution of the data under question, and the desired margin of error. (Amongst other things)

But even if you only roughly estimate those things, you can gain conclusions that are valuable to yourself.

To make up an overly simplistic example: I spend two weeks not drinking coffee, two weeks drinking coffee in the morning, and two weeks drinking coffee in the evening. If the amount and quality of my sleep do not change significantly between the three experiments, it's safe enough to assume that I can consume coffee without influencing my sleep.

It's not a sound experiment, because it doesn't control for any number of variables. It has a wide margin of error. I have not really looked at the sample distribution of sleep duration/quality. And yet, I can make the assumption that drinking coffee in the evening will not affect my sleep.

The point is, it doesn't matter if it's 100% correct. It's roughly correct, most of the time - which is good enough to plan your life around.

It's of course not good enough to make any statements about the general impact of coffee on sleep patterns. But that's not what self-measurement tries to achieve.

Re: Exist

#106

Micro-analysing ones life in this manner is wrong and counter productive on so many levels. Knowing how many tracks you listen to a day is interesting trivia only. Knowing how long you sleep for each night could be useful, but only if you have a problem with sleep and know, scientifically, what you're looking for. If you're consistently missing out on sleep and feeling ill as a result, you shouldn't need exist.io to…

> In short, knowing all of this info about yourself is not helpful. When it lacks greater context and, unless you know how to interpret it, is just a source of confusion and anxiety. At best, it's novel trivia.

Isn't that the service that exist.io is hoping to provide? It seems to me like their mission is providing people with greater context than just a bunch of data points. They provide the expertise in interpreting this kind of data so that people don't need to analyze it themselves.

Now, I'm not convinced that they'll be able to provide actionable ways for people to improve their lives, but I certainly hope they can! We generate a lot of data w/out much effort; if we can also use it to improve our lives w/out much effort that's a big win from my perspective.

Isn't that part of the entrepreneurial spirit: having the courage to build something even though you don't yet have all the answers?

Re: Exist

#107

Micro-analysing ones life in this manner is wrong and counter productive on so many levels. Knowing how many tracks you listen to a day is interesting trivia only. Knowing how long you sleep for each night could be useful, but only if you have a problem with sleep and know, scientifically, what you're looking for. If you're consistently missing out on sleep and feeling ill as a result, you shouldn't need exist.io to…

> Knowing the number of steps you take is also irrelevant unless it's part of some very slow burn exercise regime you're on, in which case you'd presumably count them anyway. If you're doing normal exercise, steps and heart-rate may be of interest, but only during the exercise period.

Fitbit assigns me a goal of 10,000 steps per day. I can view the data and work to reach that goal. By being more active I burn more calories, allowing me to lose weight.

Gamification in service of nudging people towards healthier behaviors has value. It's a means to an end. Sometimes just having a concrete goal with a progress meter is all it takes to get a person to make a small but important change.

Re: Exist

#108
Love the fact that I was asked for my credit card info right on their page, not the credit card processor's web site! Huh ??!
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