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Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I, for one, am ecstatic. I started a project to catalogue every single live music event on the planet, no matter how small or big. That's one less ogre in the way. Enjoy your new leashes, Echo Nest.

Heh, leashes - yes! And now give us the link to your ambitious sounding project.

Still working on the algo, but I'll make sure to post it when/if (it is, as you said, ambitious) I get it to a point of sharing!

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I was a QA intern at Echo Nest in Somerville over the summer and was super surprised to see this today! They're a really a fantastic and fun group of people and doing incredible work, having a fun time while they do it. (Speaking, naturally, only my own opinions here:) I'm excited for the possibilities of growth that it'll offer the company, but also a little nervous about how it'll affect the Nest's ability to serve…

Hi, I'm curious what are the other applications of Echo Nest API besides music recommendation? Can it assist composers or performance artists in composition? (e.g., input scores of Charlie Parker, output a solo on key of X based on previous known solo's). Can it identify harmonic structures in music? (e.g., which mode is used in song X and in a composition, when a key is changed). I also live in the greater Boston area and has always viewed EchoNest with curiosity, so very curious what you can do with their API other than their "acoustic fingerprinting" (e.g., genre/bpm/key/mood/color etc.)

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I think this is a disaster. It's an awful, hideous, stupid (stupid for the wider industry) defensive acquisition on Spotify's part, paid for, presumably largely, by stock - I doubt they really have the cash to buy companies of the scale of The Echonest, who have taken close to $30m in investment. It destroys value in The Echonest - and every other non-consumer-facing music service out there. The beauty of The Echones…

sam, what do you think are the exciting area's in music and tech?

Is it the advent of HTML audio/canvas to get rid of Finale/Sibelius and move scorewriters and scoresharing to the cloud? Or maybe even live coding a la Ableton but on HTML5 audio?

Or web-based collaboration of musicians and mixing of different track?

Or more back-end AI and Big Data of acoustic analysis and AI will we can hopefully get some auto-generated Miles Davis/Charlie Parker comps like those CS paper generators?

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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Spotify and similar disservices mean death to a culture of music. Like Carthage, it is my opinion that Spotify and the music /industry/ founded on copy-theft must be burned down.

Spotify and similar disservices mean death to a culture of music. Care to expand on what you mean by that? I'll agree with you that the music industry is deeply messed up, but it has been for a very long time. If anything services like Spotify will allow artists to abandon parasitic record labels and release material by themselves.

saaaaam and others under the top parent comment have provided really good answers.

Spotify is the parasitic record label, they're owned and in their command.

Ill never miss a chance to point out the hypocrisy of spotify, which was founded on piracy, its initial load of mp3s came from dc++ and thepiratebay.

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I was a QA intern at Echo Nest in Somerville over the summer and was super surprised to see this today! They're a really a fantastic and fun group of people and doing incredible work, having a fun time while they do it. (Speaking, naturally, only my own opinions here:) I'm excited for the possibilities of growth that it'll offer the company, but also a little nervous about how it'll affect the Nest's ability to serve…

Hi, I'm curious what are the other applications of Echo Nest API besides music recommendation? Can it assist composers or performance artists in composition? (e.g., input scores of Charlie Parker, output a solo on key of X based on previous known solo's). Can it identify harmonic structures in music? (e.g., which mode is used in song X and in a composition, when a key is changed). I also live in the greater Boston ar…

Nope, though you may be interested in David Cope and Experiments in Musical Intelligence. Input Bach MIDIs, receive 500 compositions in the style of Bach. Turing complete.

Echo Nest has a few other fun features, like danceability, mood, tempo, and others. An API playground, too, for now.

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I think this is a disaster. It's an awful, hideous, stupid (stupid for the wider industry) defensive acquisition on Spotify's part, paid for, presumably largely, by stock - I doubt they really have the cash to buy companies of the scale of The Echonest, who have taken close to $30m in investment. It destroys value in The Echonest - and every other non-consumer-facing music service out there. The beauty of The Echones…

So, who will come along and provide an alternative to the likely hundreds of competing streaming stores/platforms that would likely prefer Spotify not to have their data? Would a crowd-funded music tagging system in the style of Pandora's Music Genome Project have any chance of success?

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify and similar disservices mean death to a culture of music. Care to expand on what you mean by that? I'll agree with you that the music industry is deeply messed up, but it has been for a very long time. If anything services like Spotify will allow artists to abandon parasitic record labels and release material by themselves.

People halo around the most visible artists. The various services promote the most popular artists, because that's what their audience wants. As the model shifts from a lean forward (I buy music that I like, so that I can listen to it) to a lean back (curated, data/discovery) model the top line hook for fairly un-engaged music consumers means that they discover less new music and hear more of what they expect to hear…

Really? Because I have used Spotify for 2+ years and I discover a lot of new music through it. Not the kind of stuff that I find on the radio either. Being able to start a 'radio' with a specific song brings out some great stuff you wouldn't of found before

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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Does Echo Nest have any patents in the area of analysis? That would be my concern about this deal. Not just for you, but for the whole area. I hope this doesn't become more grist for our borked software patent system, wherein this deal mostly benefits only West Texas lawyers and their car dealers and realtors.

http://www.patentgenius.com/assignee/TheEchoNestCorporation....

the description of the patent and what they exactly covers seems to be quite generic in the current context

Re: Spotify acquires The Echo Nest to build a better music discovery engine

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I think this is a disaster. It's an awful, hideous, stupid (stupid for the wider industry) defensive acquisition on Spotify's part, paid for, presumably largely, by stock - I doubt they really have the cash to buy companies of the scale of The Echonest, who have taken close to $30m in investment. It destroys value in The Echonest - and every other non-consumer-facing music service out there. The beauty of The Echones…

I, for one, am ecstatic. I started a project to catalogue every single live music event on the planet, no matter how small or big. That's one less ogre in the way. Enjoy your new leashes, Echo Nest.

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