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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by kenjackson »

From the AP article [1] he has a response that seems really odd:

When shown the original bitcoin proposal that Newsweek linked to in its story, Nakamoto said he didn't write it, and said the email address in the document wasn't his.

"Peer-to-peer can be anything," he said. "That's just a matter of address. What the hell? It doesn't make sense to me."

Asked if he was technically able to come up with the idea for bitcoin, Nakamoto responded: "Capability? Yes, but any programmer could do that."

For someone who only recently heard about BitCoin this seems like an odd response. It almost seems like if you made a factually incorrect technical statement about BitCoin in his presence -- he might correct you.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by patrickaljord »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #115
mangeletti wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are concerned about the origins of something that has the potential of changing humanity (for better or worse) and dethroning the existing financial hegemony. I feel bad about all the cameras being shoved in his face, but there's nothing wrong with people inquiring.

Changing humanity? Bitcoin fans are fun. :) look at all this drama and just convoluted jibber jabber. Do you really see bitcoin being taken seriously by very serious people such that it will bring about this libertarian revolution or whatever is meant by "changing humanity?" Even those loafer phrased "existing financial hegemony" ... I think bitcoin people take themselves way too seriously.

Yeah, kind of like internet people in 90's ;)

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Udo »

kenjackson wrote: post #141

From the AP article [1] he has a response that seems really odd: When shown the original bitcoin proposal that Newsweek linked to in its story, Nakamoto said he didn't write it, and said the email address in the document wasn't his. "Peer-to-peer can be anything," he said. "That's just a matter of address. What the hell? It doesn't make sense to me." Asked if he was technically able to come up with the idea for bitco…

Only he doesn't really know how it works. He apparently thinks it's just about peer-to-peer networking, that's why the idea seems so trivial to him. In the AP video he alludes to the fact that he "never communicated with Bitcoin", further demonstrating that he believes it's about networking and not cryptography. He really doesn't know.

I've said it before in the other threads but it bears repeating. What Newsweek did was shameful and it looks to me that this guy is a very unlikely candidate. He still has money problems in real life, as well as severe health problems. Framing him as SN is irresponsible.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Frqy3 »

fallinghawks wrote: post #75
danielnaab wrote: post #47

I'm confused by all this. I find the drama interesting, but Newsweek quoted this: "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it," he says, dismissing all further queries with a swat of his left hand. "It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection." Did the reporter really lie about this statement? That seems like really a massive stretch, to me.

Reporters misquote and put their personal or editorial spin on even the most trivial stuff. (Speaking from personal experience.)

Always make your own recording of any interview with reporters (with their knowledge of course).

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by jacalata »

apetresc wrote: post #132
jacalata wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

interesting that you value this testimony so highly, because my weighting of probabilities for 'can a random woman in brooklyn definitively and uniquely identify an elderly japanese man among a line up of elderly japanese men based on a single interaction three years ago' comes down quite heavily on 'no'.

The thing is, if Satoshi Nakamoto actually is any kind of elderly Japanese man in Brooklyn, then it's probably this one. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence (like, for example, his name, his background, etc) that link it to him. How likely is it that this ISN'T the Satoshi Nakamoto, just another dude with the same name who happened to be an early adopter of the same technology at time when it was very obscure? Of cou…

My assertion is simply that this woman most likely just cannot tell if the man she saw three years ago is the same man as she saw in NewsWeek today, however much she believes it[0], so the actual information I'm willing to believe in her report is that an old Japanese man was using bitcoins in New York in 2011. If you think that information is the smoking gun that says Dorian must be Satoshi, ok but I don't see it. When you say 'distinguish this Nakomoto from another Nakomoto' it sounds like you think she knew the customers name, which doesn't match my reading of the anecdote.

[0]obviously it's possible it'll turn out she is Japanese/very familiar with Japanese people and therefore probably can tell apart two Japanese men with very little to go on, but I'm working on the assumption that is unlikely for a woman running a crepe shop in new york

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by BrandonY »

pirateking wrote: post #124

You can never hope to discover the truth behind the fiction of Satoshi. The closer you think you get, the further fiction will hide the truth. Indisputable evidence is nice, sure - but knowing is not being[0]. The man is a legend for a reason and will remain that way, regardless of anyone who claims or is proven to be, or not be him. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masked_man_fallacy

Sure, it seems like every time you get to the whole truth, the truth just divides itself into smaller and smaller pieces and falls out of your hands. Eventually, though, there must be some fundamental smallest unit of truth that is much smaller than an entire truth. We should come up with some sort of name for this smallest possible division of Bitcoin truth....

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Karunamon »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #43
mangeletti wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are concerned about the origins of something that has the potential of changing humanity (for better or worse) and dethroning the existing financial hegemony. I feel bad about all the cameras being shoved in his face, but there's nothing wrong with people inquiring.

Holy crap, get over yourself. Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad. Maybe eventually there will be a cryptocurrency that's worthwhile but bitcoin having the "potential of changing humanity" is utter bullshit. Also, your argument is completely ass-backwards. It doesn't matter how important the issue is, means are just as important as ends. Look at it this way, consider some other examples. Finding out whether or not some…

>Bitcoin is a flash in the pan fad.

Huh. I swear I've heard such comments before..

    "This internet thing isn't going to go anywhere"
          -- Most companies, early 1990's

    "No wireless, less space than a Nomad. Lame."
          -- CmdrTaco, the original iPod release

    "I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."
          -- Prentice Hall editor, 1957

    "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones."
          -- Linus Torvalds
Keep a bit more of an open mind, hm? Things have an interesting way of catching on.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by flurdy »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #117
strlen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can only speculate, but I'd imagine the real Satoshi is a human being and doesn't want an uninvolved senior citizen (and his relatives, including a 90 year old mother) to be made targets for violent crime. It's highly ironic that the media paints cryptocurrency as tools for a coldhearted clique that only cares for their own material wealth, yet they're the ones cruelly exposing someone who has done them no wrong a…

All you people talking about violent crime .., I mean, what, do you think the Bloods and the Crips are following the world of bitcoin? I think the bigger story here, much more interesting than whether this person is Santoshi, is the kind of sociological story of nerd obsession with and belief systems about Bitcoin.

LA gangs contain a lot of people of which at least a few will be clued up on Bitcoin. And quite a lot more will be clued up now Dorian has hit main stream news.

Also a few desperate out of work in heavy debt old IT workers might do something stupid.

But I would be mostly worried about the mob. Italian and Russian mafia is reputed to create a large part of their wealth today by online scams and phishing, so they will have people that are fully aware of Bitcoin. And have no qualms visiting people or their relatives to chop off a few fingers.

After all I don't think the Silk Road and its compatriots was run by innocent people...

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