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Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name , communicates in native-level english on the Bitcoin forums and purposefully communicates in low-level English on all other internet forums. Does not make any sense at all.

From where I'm sitting the burden of proof is on those who claim he ever painstakingly tried to hide his identity. To me it looks like someone who doesn't like a lot of personal attention (something I can certainly relate to) creating something to scratch an intellectual itch and that thing grew far larger than he imagined, so he bowed out. I see no proof that he is someone who was planning complete anonymity from th…

The newsweek article itself claims that Satoshi tried to hide his identity.

He never posted any personal information and used an anonymous japanese registration service for the bitcoin.org domain, payment in cash. An unlikely effort for somebody who doesn't care about anonymity.

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Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

>Why do the press feel entitled to literally show up on someone's doorstep in mass? Mostly? The first amendment...

Ah yes, the first amendment. The right to trespass given only to journalists.

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Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

to literally show up on someone's doorstep in mass? Hate to be that guy, but... it's "en masse" :) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/en%20masse

That's educational, surprised I didn't know that one.

"in mass" seems to still make sense though in plain english

What is funny is in the legal dictionary "en masse" is described as "in a mass"

http://thelawdictionary.org/en-masse/

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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While I do feel bad for this guy's current situation (he clearly doesn't want any attention... sort of like the bitcoin Satoshi...hmm!), I really don't understand why so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this story is wrong/fake/some sort of conspiracy or whatever. If there were a reasonable way to settle it for sure, I'd bet a substantial amount of money that this is the bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto. The pi…

How can I take you up on that bet?

This is the first time I've seen reddit (since it's become a mainstream phenomenon) be more reasonable than hacker news.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zpuer/the_newsweek...

> The pieces laid out fit pretty well.

What pieces? That he's kind of odd, according to his family? (if you were to take my family, which is fairly normal, 1/2 of us think the other 1/2 are odd). Who doesn't have an odd, reclusive uncle or two?

That he made a vague, difficult to interpret statement (and proceeded afterwards to completely deny any connection between himself and bitcoin)?

That he's "libertarian" according to his estranged daughter (though the following quote doesn't sound libertarian at all to me):

> Then Dorian also wrote about “being tired” about another issue: “I’m really tired of having the JACL, et al. requesting or getting $100K to millions in government funds for Japanese American monuments, about the camps or any other issue. Those money should be send on the JA’s practical needs and growth for the new generations. More dollars should be funded for startup businesses, business education, nursing services (yes, forget Keiro with high self salaries) and all they talk about is executive orders, camps, never about the betterment of JAs on their current living conditions or betterment of young ones going out to the world of business, competitions, financial education, etc.

That it was written in Newsweek? Here is an actual quote from the article:

> Of course, there is also the chance "Satoshi Nakamoto" is a pseudonym, but that raises the question why someone who wishes to remain anonymous would choose such a distinctive name.

What a shoddy piece of journalism. The authors of the Federalist Papers (Madison, Hamilton and Jay) used the pseudonym Publius. At least that name is really distinctive, in that no one was actually named that, unlike "Satoshi Nakamoto" seems like a common enough name for (also according to the article) there to be "several" living "Satoshi Nakamotos".

EDIT: I expect to get a lot of up votes now thanks to this :) :

In an exclusive two-hour interview with The Associated Press Dorian S. Nakamoto, 64, said he had never heard of Bitcoin until his son told him he had been contacted by a reporter three weeks ago.

Reached at his home in Temple City, Calif., Nakamoto acknowledged that many of the details in Newsweek's report are correct, including that he once worked for a defense contractor. But he strongly disputes the magazine's assertion that he is "the face behind Bitcoin." http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BITCOIN_FOUNDER_DE...

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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post #44
post #38

Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

>Why do the press feel entitled to literally show up on someone's doorstep in mass? Mostly? The first amendment...

You are confusing their entitlement, a psychologically concerning lack of proper upbringing, respect and human decency, with rights. I could fill your inbox with abuse, threats and sickening images arguing it’s my god-given privilege — you’d still wonder why on Earth I would feel like ruining your life like that.

And as pointed out, you are wrong about to whom the First Amendment applies to.

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I missed the ethics class where we decided to give the superrich whatever they want.

You are attacking a retired engineer who lives a zen-like life in a suburban McMansion, after a brain accident because he can get “whatever [he] want?” Really?

I'm not attacking anyone. Argument in grandparent was he wants X so everyone needs to do X which is frankly repulsive in a country with a free press.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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Why do the press feel entitled to show up on someone's doorstep in mass? That is quite literally trespassing. They just feel like they can get away with it. Leave him alone, if he wanted to be found he would have shared it awhile ago.

IT's not trespassing to go up to someone's front door, otherwise the mail wouldn't get delivered. You can step on to the curtilage of someone's property, but you must leave if you are asked to do so - although nothing prevents you hanging around on the street in front of the property in hopes of getting an interview. If this becomes onerous, one can get a restraining order, but courts are cautious about handing them…

So, serious argument:

What if you purposely did not have a mailbox on your home but at the edge of your property (like much of rural America vs suburban) and you had no obvious front-door.

Would a person then be entitled to wander around your property looking for you? I would hope not.

So by having a front-door you are suggesting people are allowed to just walk onto your property, up to the door, anytime they feel like it and harass you?

If no door or you do not answer, how about your back window? Bathroom window?

I'm curious how the logic works.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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While I do feel bad for this guy's current situation (he clearly doesn't want any attention... sort of like the bitcoin Satoshi...hmm!), I really don't understand why so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this story is wrong/fake/some sort of conspiracy or whatever. If there were a reasonable way to settle it for sure, I'd bet a substantial amount of money that this is the bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto. The pi…

How can I take you up on that bet? This is the first time I've seen reddit (since it's become a mainstream phenomenon) be more reasonable than hacker news. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zpuer/the_newsweek... > The pieces laid out fit pretty well. What pieces? That he's kind of odd, according to his family ? (if you were to take my family, which is fairly normal, 1/2 of us think the other 1/2 are odd). Who…

The linguistic analysis actually holds up pretty well (both his writing style and his coding style), and the totality of the circumstances wherein Satoshi matches Bitcoin Satoshi makes it very unlikely that this is a "shoddy piece of journalism."

Also, you must not have read the part of the article where the journalist runs through and describes why the other Satoshis are not the Bitcoin Satoshi.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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While I do feel bad for this guy's current situation (he clearly doesn't want any attention... sort of like the bitcoin Satoshi...hmm!), I really don't understand why so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this story is wrong/fake/some sort of conspiracy or whatever. If there were a reasonable way to settle it for sure, I'd bet a substantial amount of money that this is the bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto. The pi…

How can I take you up on that bet? This is the first time I've seen reddit (since it's become a mainstream phenomenon) be more reasonable than hacker news. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zpuer/the_newsweek... > The pieces laid out fit pretty well. What pieces? That he's kind of odd, according to his family ? (if you were to take my family, which is fairly normal, 1/2 of us think the other 1/2 are odd). Who…

"What a shoddy piece of journalism."

You base this conclusion on one line of speculation in the article? Did you miss the part where the journalist flew out, went to the person's house and spoke to them to confirm it was really him before running the story? Sounds like excellent journalism to me.

Re: Alleged Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto Denies Bitcoin Involvement

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While I do feel bad for this guy's current situation (he clearly doesn't want any attention... sort of like the bitcoin Satoshi...hmm!), I really don't understand why so many people are jumping to the conclusion that this story is wrong/fake/some sort of conspiracy or whatever. If there were a reasonable way to settle it for sure, I'd bet a substantial amount of money that this is the bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto. The pi…

Well, yes, of course it causes cognitive dissonance. It is 2014 year now and buzz around his personality is going for a pretty long time already. Both virtual and that one Satoshi-s are said to be worried about anonimity, using VPN to send emails, etc. And yet it is said he used his real name all this time. And being discovered only now by some journalist. Seriously, it is weird just by itself, not mentioning all these little discrepancies in their appearing personalities.

And both "Satoshi" and "Nakamoto" are fairly common japanese name and surname by the way, so I doubt if this one is really the only programmer Satoshi Nakamoto.

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