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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by lisper »

cortesoft wrote: post #107
ssharp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

This. Plus I have yet to see any non-pod-style coffee machine that can competently make one cup at a time.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by acct »

geetee wrote: post #95
kyrra wrote: post #35

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The new pods (Keurig Vue pods) are recyclable[1]. Also, I don't care too much about my coffee taste, so it does a great job getting my caffeine with coffee flavor, especially when I'm the only person in the house that drinks coffee. [1] http://www.vuerecycling.com/

Honest question: If you don't care about the coffee taste, why not drink a glass of water and pop a caffeine pill?

Or Coke (and a caffeine pill), or whatever you prefer. Bad coffee is a perplexing choice.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by not-gro-tsen »

lisper wrote: post #111
cortesoft wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

This. Plus I have yet to see any non-pod-style coffee machine that can competently make one cup at a time.

I have a manual grinder and an Aeropress. Making one cup at a time is easy, and the taste is superior to pod-style coffee in my opinion.

The time I spend grinding the coffee is part of the enjoyment.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by balls187 »

not-gro-tsen wrote: post #113
lisper wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Plus I have yet to see any non-pod-style coffee machine that can competently make one cup at a time.

I have a manual grinder and an Aeropress. Making one cup at a time is easy, and the taste is superior to pod-style coffee in my opinion. The time I spend grinding the coffee is part of the enjoyment.

Really?

http://globalassets.starbucks.com/assets/bbbb918e28fa404b836...

I much prefer that machine to the crappy k-cup machines.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by mikegreco »

cortesoft wrote: post #107
ssharp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

If optimizing 57 seconds of your day makes such a drastic difference, you are doing a vast number of things wrong.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by ssharp »

cortesoft wrote: post #107
ssharp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

It's less than 60 to clean and fill with water. The water takes longer than the cleaning. Really, if I want to be lazy and dump the grounds in the sink disposal, it would take about 10 seconds to clean.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

rubiquity wrote: post #108
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #103

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While I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate given that I don't like Keurig coffee much, your numbers are so far off that you're being kind of unfair. It takes about 35 seconds to brew an eight-ounce cup of coffee, not ten seconds (or three!), and AFAIK only uses about 1.5 bars of pressure, hardly enough to "destroy the bean." This isn't that far off from the speed and pressure that an Aeropress brews with, and it's r…

I actually don't like aeropress either. I found it convenient to use early on in my coffee obsession days but I find it has several flaws. The two biggest in my opinion are the filter actually being too good at filtering and the body of the aeropress dissipating heat poorly. I use the Chemex when we have company over, it's the best combination of quantity and quality that I have found so far. As for one to two servin…

I do like the Aeropress, although it took me a while to decide that. My quibble with it was that I tend to brew twelve-ounce cups and it really doesn't seem to be that good at that. (And I think I know what you mean about the filter.)

I've heard good things about the Kalita Wave, but I'm not sure I want to add another coffee brewing device to the collection at this point. :)

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by digikata »

ignostic wrote: post #59

This case doesn't have anything to do with DRM as the title suggest. It's more clear in the article: "the java-bean equivalent of DRM". As far as I can tell it's actually just allegations of patent abuse and anti-competitive vertical integration. Keurig had a patent on the technology for both machine and pod. That patent expired in 2012, allowing third-party vendors to start making pods. Treehouse Foods argues (among…

If the patent is expired, one wonders if some company may reverse engineer the Keurig 1.0 design, and continue their manufacture (along with all the factories that are already tooled for the 1.0 cups.)

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by adventured »

ignostic wrote: post #59

This case doesn't have anything to do with DRM as the title suggest. It's more clear in the article: "the java-bean equivalent of DRM". As far as I can tell it's actually just allegations of patent abuse and anti-competitive vertical integration. Keurig had a patent on the technology for both machine and pod. That patent expired in 2012, allowing third-party vendors to start making pods. Treehouse Foods argues (among…

"Keurig can change the design of their machine whenever they want in theory, but can they do so for no other reason than to maintain their own market share?"

That's a pretty simple issue to resolve. Yes, Keurig should be able to change their own product at will. Whether it's to maintain their market share or just for fun is irrelevant. If you get into the business of regulating coffee companies based on intentions related to subtle design changes and guessing whether it's directed at maintaining market share, what you'll have is a ridiculous government/business nightmare.

An attempt to generate a new patent from the trivial product change should be denied. Problem solved.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by adventured »

mikegreco wrote: post #115
cortesoft wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds. It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

If optimizing 57 seconds of your day makes such a drastic difference, you are doing a vast number of things wrong.

I don't think the parent implied it was drastic.

How does it make sense to project that calculation onto another person to begin with? Their time is not yours, and every person values their time differently. It means your statement of them doing a vast number of things wrong must inherently be false, because there is no objective "wrong" there.

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