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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by nocoment »

ufmace wrote: post #96
nocoment wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work .. My time has value Why do you value time in the car (or monster truck) so highly?

Incidentally, a gallon of gas seems to weigh about 6 pounds. So 7 pounds is a bit over a gallon, which probably gets you around 30 miles or so in an average car with decent fuel economy. On the commuting statistics I can find, look like around 8% of Americans commute about that far. So OP is probably a standard deviation or so past average for either distance or fuel economy, but nothing crazy. Assuming he didn't jus…

Yeah, I don't think it is odd for an American in general just in the context of valuing time.

You don't think about the 30-60 minutes in the car because you are sitting there killing yourself faster, but wasting less bodily energy than sleeping.

The time spent making coffee is probably good for your lifespan, but standing around, moving and cleaning things feels bad for us lazy apes..

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#102

Post by Kadrith »

mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I just use ground coffee in the cup-sized filter. My wife and I wake up at different times so this prevents wasted coffee without the pods.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#103

Post by chipotle_coyote »

rubiquity wrote: post #23
lutorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Keurig coffee is terrible, so I've never seen one of the reusable pods. But what's the point, if you are going reusable isn't it just as easy to make a normal cup of coffee?

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

While I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate given that I don't like Keurig coffee much, your numbers are so far off that you're being kind of unfair. It takes about 35 seconds to brew an eight-ounce cup of coffee, not ten seconds (or three!), and AFAIK only uses about 1.5 bars of pressure, hardly enough to "destroy the bean." This isn't that far off from the speed and pressure that an Aeropress brews with, and it's really a fairly comparable method.

"But (nearly) everybody loves the Aeropress! It can't be comparable!"

I'd argue the Keurig's weak spot is not the brewing methodology, it's the coffee itself. The K-Cups are sealed with nitrogen and do their best to stay fresh, but no matter how many tricks you use to try and preserve the flavor of coffee that was ground three months before you brew it, it's going to take a massive quality hit -- and y weren't starting with beans that would bowl a coffee snob over in the first place. When I actually used the correct amount of fresh ground coffee from a good roaster, though, it produced a surprisingly good cup of coffee. And I've cut open a K-Cup and brewed the coffee within using a French Press; what came out tasted, well, a lot like what you'd expect out of a Keurig, just s slightly grittier.

(Then the pump broke and I bought a Chemex and lived happily ever after. The end.)

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#104

Post by snogglethorpe »

jareds wrote: post #46

So what is an option for easily brewing a single cup of coffee without pods that will lock you into a specific machine? The things that I like about my Keurig are that you can get 4 to 6 cups before having to refill the water tank and that it’s easy to clean. While I don’t mind having to throw away a filter I would like to avoid having to refill a machine with water every time I want another cup of coffee.

A modern electric kettle + small cup-sized drip cone / french press?

Modern electric kettles are awesome, they're insulated so can keep the water at the perfect temperature for ages... most have a "90degC" setting that's right for coffee. They're perfectly suited to cup-at-a-time usage (and often have a form-factor designed for dispensing into a cup without lifting the kettle).

I use a drip-cone on top of my cup, and love it... :]

[Offhand, this seems like such a simple task that complex and expensive solutions like the Keurig seem a bit silly, unless they yield clearly superior results—which the Keurig apparently doesn't....]

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#105

Post by 5555624 »

ahoy wrote: post #19
lutorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Keurig coffee is terrible, so I've never seen one of the reusable pods. But what's the point, if you are going reusable isn't it just as easy to make a normal cup of coffee?

I've only seen 1 legitimate use for a Keurig machine. My company's office used to be on the 9th floor of a very old building (built in 1914). The plumbing is subpar and our office had no sink, despite being otherwise very nice. Having a regular coffee maker would mean cleaning it in the only restroom on our floor, which was a women's room. So we got a keurig.

Exactly. We have no sink or restroom on our "floor." (It's a floor between the first and second floors of an old warehouse.) They have a Keurig and bring gallon jugs of water. To clean a regular coffee maker would mean walking down the stairs and halfway across the building.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by hudibras »

knappador wrote: post #64
jareds wrote: post #46

So what is an option for easily brewing a single cup of coffee without pods that will lock you into a specific machine? The things that I like about my Keurig are that you can get 4 to 6 cups before having to refill the water tank and that it’s easy to clean. While I don’t mind having to throw away a filter I would like to avoid having to refill a machine with water every time I want another cup of coffee.

French press. 0% packaging garbage, extracts 100% of the good of coffee. Numerous suppliers. Compatible with any hot water devices and coffee packaging. Larger models are easily configured to produce single or several cup amounts. Portable models can get you out the door as soon as the water is hot and you can drink on the way.

Clean up takes a little longer than hand-dripping, though.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by cortesoft »

ssharp wrote: post #84
jcampbell1 wrote: post #22

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I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

I have a Breville machine that allows you to pour in a heap of coffee beans, and it grinds and automatically fills the filter with your desired strength based on how much water you put in the machine. I believe they also make one that has a water reservoir that you periodically fill and you can just dial in a cup amount and it does everything else for you. I've been pretty happy with it since I get fresh ground coffe…

60 seconds to clean isn't nothing. Changing the keurig pods takes less than 3 seconds.

It might make me lazy, but every second I am not cleaning my coffee device I can be doing something else.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#108

Post by rubiquity »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #103
rubiquity wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

While I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate given that I don't like Keurig coffee much, your numbers are so far off that you're being kind of unfair. It takes about 35 seconds to brew an eight-ounce cup of coffee, not ten seconds (or three!), and AFAIK only uses about 1.5 bars of pressure, hardly enough to "destroy the bean." This isn't that far off from the speed and pressure that an Aeropress brews with, and it's r…

I actually don't like aeropress either. I found it convenient to use early on in my coffee obsession days but I find it has several flaws. The two biggest in my opinion are the filter actually being too good at filtering and the body of the aeropress dissipating heat poorly.

I use the Chemex when we have company over, it's the best combination of quantity and quality that I have found so far. As for one to two servings, I swear by the Kalita Wave[0]

0 - http://kalita-usa.com/wave_series.html

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by awj »

sliverstorm wrote: post #52
mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. What do you consider used coffee grounds? Product?

Used coffee grounds are great compost, and are good as a scouring agent for pots and pans or to scrub off dead skin and stronger odors (garlic, onion) from your hands. Out of everything that ends up in your trash can, they're one of the last things to truly be "waste".

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#110

Post by ctdonath »

jchrisa wrote: post #31
jcampbell1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

Far better coffee with roughly equivalent hassles: http://www.sweetmarias.com/clevercoffeedripperpictorial.php

That's a good one.

Also try the AeroPress: faster brew, smaller filters (reusable metal available), fast clean, excellent results.

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