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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#21

I believe both Tassimo and the "Nespresso" already have DRM, although they pitch it under the premise that it's a coded system for the perfect brew. So in many ways the Keurig is late to the party.

Chris R. Chapman did some reversing work on the Tassimo barcodes - could be a fun read: http://www.chapmanconsulting.ca/post/2007/11/29/Hacking-the-...

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#22

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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post #9

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I think Keurig coffee is terrible, so I've never seen one of the reusable pods. But what's the point, if you are going reusable isn't it just as easy to make a normal cup of coffee?

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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post #21

I believe both Tassimo and the "Nespresso" already have DRM, although they pitch it under the premise that it's a coded system for the perfect brew. So in many ways the Keurig is late to the party.

Chris R. Chapman did some reversing work on the Tassimo barcodes - could be a fun read: http://www.chapmanconsulting.ca/post/2007/11/29/Hacking-the-...

Note that the new Nespresso "Vertuoline" capsules have put the barcode in a more difficult place. DRM escalation?

http://www.singleserveespresso.com/pictures/NespressoVertuoL...

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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post #20
post #5

Keurig is free to do what they want, just as a consumer is free to choose whichever coffee maker they want. Maybe this will blow up in their face, or perhaps given their market share it will all work out.

IIRC, the EU took a different view on printers and printer cartridges. Those can no longer be 'DRMed'. I don't see why they would take a different view with coffee machines.

To add to this, manufacturing and ultimately disposing of all these units carries costs that are not entirely reflected in their price. (Limited resources, pollution, etc.)

Designs that deliberately hinder their performance and perhaps artificially shorten their lifespan, may be viewed as against the public good -- especially if and as this becomes standard practice across a range of products.

Society may indeed decide that they are not "free to do as they please", in this respect. Just like your car is required to have adequate passenger restraint systems, and many other conditions that are "imposed".

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#26
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the 2 reasons you mentioned, why else would you dissuade someone from buying one? I own one and don't mind the coffee. I agree with the garbage aspect, but for me I'd either buy a coffee everyday, or make one in the Keurig with a reusable cup. Equivalent waste in my mind (for my situation)

They appear to have the tendency to fail at around 18 months, even if they undergo routine, recommended maintenance. Got a Keurig for my wife as a Christmas present three years ago. Generated about 10 cups of coffee per week, and was very happy with the product. Performed the de-scaling maintenance regularly....still broke down after about a year and a half. Went online to see how to repair it, and wasn't encouraged…

I see. It's bad, but when I read "fail around 18 months" I think to myself "I only paid $60 for my Keurig, 18 months sounds pretty good."

I guess the manufacturing giants have succeeded in making us believe electronic consumer goods shouldn't last long.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#28

I believe both Tassimo and the "Nespresso" already have DRM, although they pitch it under the premise that it's a coded system for the perfect brew. So in many ways the Keurig is late to the party.

Pretty sure the Nespresso ones don't. Source: I own one at home and we have one in the office and they haven't got any barcodes on any of the capsules. Heck, it'll run without any capsule at all.

Tassimo does, though.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#29
post #7

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

Other than the 2 reasons you mentioned, why else would you dissuade someone from buying one? I own one and don't mind the coffee. I agree with the garbage aspect, but for me I'd either buy a coffee everyday, or make one in the Keurig with a reusable cup. Equivalent waste in my mind (for my situation)

I understand the concept of cheap/fast/good - pick any 2; but K-cups are only one (fast.) The cost per cup is significantly more than traditional brewing and I find the output to be undrinkable. There are better solutions. I have a drip coffee maker that brews into a travel mug in about 5 minutes. Are you sure that the saved 4 minutes is worth the extra money and poor flavor?

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#30

Does anyone know of a source for generic K-Cups that are decent quality? I seriously thought about doing it as a startup as it seemed untapped when I was looking.

I'm pretty sure this is the one I bought for my coffee maker, works great, never had an issue. Be sure to check to see if your model is compatible.

http://smile.amazon.com/Ekobrew-Refillable-Keurig-Brewers-1-...

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