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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by jchrisa »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #22
mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

Far better coffee with roughly equivalent hassles: http://www.sweetmarias.com/clevercoffeedripperpictorial.php

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by 67726e »

rubiquity wrote: post #23
lutorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Keurig coffee is terrible, so I've never seen one of the reusable pods. But what's the point, if you are going reusable isn't it just as easy to make a normal cup of coffee?

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

And for the rest of us that are not coffee snobs, the Keurig is a great way to get a consistently good cup of coffee without wasting time and effort that could be better spent doing something else.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by klochner »

rubiquity wrote: post #23
lutorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Keurig coffee is terrible, so I've never seen one of the reusable pods. But what's the point, if you are going reusable isn't it just as easy to make a normal cup of coffee?

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

I've never heard this "pressure destroys the bean" theory.

Are you claiming all espresso is burnt or chocolatey?

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#34

Post by zimbatm »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #22
mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

I waste 7 pounds of petroleum driving to work, and .01 lbs from my morning k-cup. My time has value, and I am not going to waste it greenwashing.

I guess value is relative. I prefer good coffee and preparing it is part of the experience.

It's like writing this comment on HN, what value does it bring to you ?

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#35

Post by kyrra »

mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

The new pods (Keurig Vue pods) are recyclable[1]. Also, I don't care too much about my coffee taste, so it does a great job getting my caffeine with coffee flavor, especially when I'm the only person in the house that drinks coffee.

[1] http://www.vuerecycling.com/

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by jgh »

Well, if you like coffee and are in the US (or Canada maybe now, I'm not sure) I'd recommend checking out Tonx (www.tonx.org) I've been subscribed for about a year and a half now and can say that I really love everything they send us.

It's not going to get you some instant Keurig coffee but honestly you don't have 10 minutes in the morning to brew something decent? Like put it on and then get dressed or something.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by rubiquity »

klochner wrote: post #33
rubiquity wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keurig coffee is terrible. It violates two of the most important principles of making good coffee: time and pressure. Making good coffee in 3 seconds with a ton of pressure that destroys the bean is impossible. 10 seconds of extraction at the pressure that Keurig does it at will only ever yield flavors of "burnt" and "chocolatey-ish-I-think?"

I've never heard this "pressure destroys the bean" theory. Are you claiming all espresso is burnt or chocolatey?

Espresso machines are designed much differently and as accordingly they are several hundred to several thousand dollars. Really you're looking at $1000 and up for a decent espresso machine in my opinion. And don't even get me started on the amount of skill it requires to pull good espresso shots consistently. Between grind size, tamp, the bean and altitude you have a lot to deal with.

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by danepowell »

mikegioia wrote: post #4

I actively try to dissuade people from buying Keurig machines, or any "coffee pod" machine and this is just another reason why. Aside from the fact that the coffee is watery, the pods just add such an unnecessary amount of garbage to something that doesn't need to generate any waste. I think the concept is cool but re-usable pods are the way to go. This is stupid of Keurig.

While my instinct is to agree with you, I suspect the waste and emissions from producing and transporting the coffee greatly outweigh those from the half-ounce plastic container .

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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Post by mikeash »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #11
giarc wrote: post #5

Keurig is free to do what they want, just as a consumer is free to choose whichever coffee maker they want. Maybe this will blow up in their face, or perhaps given their market share it will all work out.

This practice isn't what copyright was intended for when it was written into the constitution. The idea is that copyright is a time-limited monopoly to make money of immaterial property, it mustn't serve to lock out the secondary market for printer cartridges and coffee.

The way it should work is, Keurig should be able to do whatever they want in terms of DRM on their hardware, and other companies should be able to do whatever they want in terms of reverse engineering that DRM to produce compatible products.

I don't know if that's how the law actually is, but it sounds like it might be.

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