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Yes, but many people in Moldova call the language they speak 'Moldovan', even if it's only subtly different from Romanian. When given the option in a 2004 census, 60% of the population chose 'Moldovan' as their native language, compared to 16.5% who chose 'Romanian'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language
Sure, they can call it however they want. Technically they're the same language. There are only minor lexicographical differences, the grammar being roughly the same. Blame Stalin for the confusion.
Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
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Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia just cannot lose Crimea. It was silly for EU and especially US pols to think Ukraine could be snatched from Putin wholesale (and using neonazis, no less).
From the word "snatched", it looks like in your opinion Ukraine was Putin's property... or was it protectorate?
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
>That's some pile of bullshit. Who are "we" that set up the riots? "We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine." http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/12... You could also research finances behind 2004 Ukrainian revolution. I'm not saying it's bad. I even support current Ukrainian revolution and I am aga…
Yes, US sent financial aid to Ukraine. And dozens of other countries too. But you talked about setting up the riots. >>> with Color revolution technique, where large groups of people occupy squares and then capture government buildings. You must be kidding. That's how revolutions are done since inventing of squares and government buildings. That's what revolutions are - a lot of people gather together and oust the ex…
>Presenting this as if it is some sinister technique freshly invented
Well, I didn't go into details, and I'm not an expert, but Color revolutions in ex soviet countries have certain common qualities to them. The main is "nonviolent action" of Gene Sharp. Holding a square for weeks, and waiting for violence to discredit government wasn't a normal normal way to make a revolution before this method was used. Other than that there is financing of pro-Democracy NGOs, that work under assumption that there is a lack of democracy(no matter what), and leaders with western eduction or ex-Reagan administration staffer wives.
>dictatorship of Putin
While I hate Putin and don't like Russia generally it's too subjective and CNN-like to call Putin a dictator. He definitely has support of pupation, and is adequate to Russian people. And I think the level of democracy in Russia is not important to US policy. Russia is US's major geopolitical opponent, one of the few of still independent ones. The US will support revolutions on Russian border no matter how democratic Russia is. Even more, it's easy to argue that Russia is not democratic as say western europe or the US, precisely because The US is very capable at overthrowing governments.
>a very far cry from "setting up the riots" which you have claimed.
While of course US didn't set up riots, it certainly assisted the forces which performed an illegal government coup. There is even a recording of ambasaddor Nuland on youtube. Maybe Yanukovich wasn't popular in the Ukraine(Bush too at the end of his second term), but he was a legally elected president, and Eastern parts of the country supported him initially. Forces that took over the government lost in the last elections, and (most likely)didn't have a chance at winning them next time.
As for me personally, being a Russian with pro-Liberty ideology, taking into account the fact that US is meddling with Russia's neighbors, still I'm for these revolutions. I even can't wait for one that will take out Putin. Russia must be weak and fragmented, because cultural code is very authoritarian, and if Russia is strong it will create problems not only for Russians but for people all over the world. But it's not a position of a patriot. Nor it's position of neutral observer.
Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
#204From what I gather, Obama has some of the same foreign policy advisors as Bush did. We are pursuing some backdoor strategy to get Ukraine to join the EU. The democratically elected president chose to ally with Russia instead, because Russia offered them more. We set up riots over there, and he flees the capital. The leader is declared to be deposed, and now a leader friendly to the west can take over. Russia can't st…
That's some pile of bullshit. Who are "we" that set up the riots? Those people stayed there since November, with wide popular support, risking life and limb. It is unbelievably obtuse to echo Kremlin propaganda that those were but the agents of US State Department. One has to be either exceptionally ignorant or exceptionally motivated to find a way to blame America to believe this canard. >>> Question is - who is the…
Woke up today for the first day back in civilization, opened the papers, and see that Putin was mobilizing forces ...
then I guess yes, my whole argument is a "pile of bullshit" and the guy who is mobilizing forces must be the "aggressor." And I'm obviously a sucker for propaganda. Tin foil hats and all.
I guess we have short memories - it wasn't too long ago that the US fooled itself by going into war in part based on the crack reportage out of the New York times, courtesy of Judy Miller. Here's an apology from Bill Keller on her work:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/06/03/bill-keller-speaks-o...
So, yes, by all means call me crazy for trying to piece together what might actually be going on here.
Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same thing happened in Serbia in 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo Only in this case it was NATO who invaded, and it is viewed quite differently from the western media then what parents have cited. The worst thing in world today is to become the rope on which the imperial forces tug to prove their strength.
Big difference. Serbians under Milosevic were committing mass murder and ethnic cleansing (as they had done with Bosnia and Croatia few years earlier), while here, Ukrainians are not kicking people from Crimea out. This is just a land grab.
Not yet. Still, the first act of the new regime was to revoke language rights from ethnic minorities, i.e. Russians in Crimea. When this sort of thing happens, ethnic cleansing is not far away.
Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
>That's some pile of bullshit. Who are "we" that set up the riots? "We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine." http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/12... You could also research finances behind 2004 Ukrainian revolution. I'm not saying it's bad. I even support current Ukrainian revolution and I am aga…
This is the part everybody (Russians) don't quote: "Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, "
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In 2004 the Communists were in power in Republic of Moldova. But in December 2013 Moldovan court rules official language is 'Romanian,' replacing Soviet-flavored 'Moldovan': http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/05/moldovan-court-rules... Just as there is no 'Austrian language', is German only. Or 'Switzerland language', is German, French and Italian. Edit: Of course there is heavy dialect or accent of the language in…
Swiss German is a real thing and quite different from high German.
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From the word "snatched", it looks like in your opinion Ukraine was Putin's property... or was it protectorate?
Spheres of influence are real. If Panama fell under a Russian-friendly government likely to stop US vessels going through the strait, would the US government just sit there, "respecting the democratic rights of the citizens of Panama"?
Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine
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Yes, US sent financial aid to Ukraine. And dozens of other countries too. But you talked about setting up the riots. >>> with Color revolution technique, where large groups of people occupy squares and then capture government buildings. You must be kidding. That's how revolutions are done since inventing of squares and government buildings. That's what revolutions are - a lot of people gather together and oust the ex…
You are placing me in an uncomfortable position of spewing pro-Kremin propaganda. Ok. >Presenting this as if it is some sinister technique freshly invented Well, I didn't go into details, and I'm not an expert, but Color revolutions in ex soviet countries have certain common qualities to them. The main is "nonviolent action" of Gene Sharp. Holding a square for weeks, and waiting for violence to discredit government w…
What about Ghandi in India? Or Mohism in China in 400BC? The idea that the color revolutions are the first to popularise using nonviolent resistance to gain a moral upper hand against an opponent, is plainly ridiculous.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We set up riots there Just looking at pictures of what was going on in Kiev, it was fairly obvious. Nothing is going on and suddenly thousands of people are bussed into Kiev. Large video screens are set up and professional placards are distributed. Of course the always tell-tale English language signs of the "we want freedom" type. It does not generate an effect of the type desired so they up the amount of violence…
If they are neo-nazis, why are ex-IDF jews fighting for them? As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests. “I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and a…