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Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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This could turn ugly really fast. If Russia attacks Ukraine the US and Britain would have to protect the borders of Ukraine, according to a treaty signed in 1994 [0]. If the US don't follow the treaty I guess we will know how much these treatys really are worth. [0] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-Briti...

I doubt Americans would stand for a US intervention in Ukraine after all the crap the country has been dragged through with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Ukraine attack Russia in any way? No. Is Ukraine a sovereign Country? Yes. Is Russia sending troops to Ukraine? Yes. This is an invasion. Isn't an invasion an aggression? If not, what is?

I can't reply to gk1 for some reason, but he's exaggerating. Russian's are still a minority, not half the population as he/she suggests. According to wikipedia it's around 17% of the population. Russia has a lot of control over Ukraine however since over half of their exports go to Russia (and those exports are generally of poor quality that likely couldn't be exported elsewhere) and they're also heavily reliant on R…

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Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Ukraine attack Russia in any way? No. Is Ukraine a sovereign Country? Yes. Is Russia sending troops to Ukraine? Yes. This is an invasion. Isn't an invasion an aggression? If not, what is?

You're oversimplifying the situation. Yes, Ukraine is a sovereign country. But half of it is ethnically Russian, and identify themselves a such. The Ukrainian border--like many geopolitical borders--is arbitrary and does not signify a single united nation. I'm not saying one side is right and the other is wrong. I'm just highlighting the fact that's it's not as simple as you make it out to be.

This could have justified a referendum. Not an occupation. That IS an act of war. Or you think that France could occupy the French-speaking part of Swiss and that wouldn't be an act of aggression?

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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See what happened in Ukraine's neighboring country, Moldova, 24 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Transnistria Moldova had a population of ethnic Russians that lived on the Eastern bank of the river D'niest'r. (Similar to the Crimean region in Ukraine.) Eventually a civil war broke out, and Russia stepped in to back the ethnically Russian region (sound familiar?). The end result was a stalemate. A ceasef…

Same thing happened in Georgia in 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)#The_South_Oss...

Same thing happened in Serbia in 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

Only in this case it was NATO who invaded, and it is viewed quite differently from the western media then what parents have cited.

The worst thing in world today is to become the rope on which the imperial forces tug to prove their strength.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

#55
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The scariest part of all of this is the 6000 mystery troops that showed up without any logos on their uniforms or carriers or tanks. They took over the border, airport, etc. without any identification, simply guns to insist "do as we say". They even blocked the coast guard from leaving their ports. Which means they had this kind of force all prepared. Can you imagine if US troops showed up somewhere in huge numbers w…

I think the strange/comical part of this is that Russia thought that "we'll just take off our logos" was a good strategy for keeping a secret or saving face.

I suspect it's just a formality so they can increase the security around their base, without yet having formally requested authorization from their parliament. In both international law and the law of many countries, there are substantial distinctions made between troops in uniform wearing their country's flag and those not.

I don't think that there was any intent of being secret or saving face, just that because formal authorization from parliament hadn't yet been made, they couldn't move in under Russia's flag.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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post #6

I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN. People should be aware of the fact that a part of sovereign country is being aggressively annexed by their neighbor. And there is virtually no opposition to Putin in Russia.

> I am glad this has finally got to the top of HN Because once HN is aware of it, we'll... uhm... Send Putin some nasty Perl scripts? This, like almost all political / breaking news stories, is probably off topic for this site, given the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Video…

People said the same thing on Slashdot after 9/11, and they were wrong then, too.

Once-a-generation events, with major impacts that last for decades across an entire region of the world, transcend "news for nerds" guidelines.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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This is getting serious. Soon we'll find out how much human politics have progressed in the last ~50 years and what we have learned.

Let's see how this crisis will get solved. Hint: armed forces, not a good sign already.

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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post #54
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing happened in Georgia in 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)#The_South_Oss...

Same thing happened in Serbia in 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo Only in this case it was NATO who invaded, and it is viewed quite differently from the western media then what parents have cited. The worst thing in world today is to become the rope on which the imperial forces tug to prove their strength.

Also in Cyprus in 1974: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

Re: Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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See what happened in Ukraine's neighboring country, Moldova, 24 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Transnistria Moldova had a population of ethnic Russians that lived on the Eastern bank of the river D'niest'r. (Similar to the Crimean region in Ukraine.) Eventually a civil war broke out, and Russia stepped in to back the ethnically Russian region (sound familiar?). The end result was a stalemate. A ceasef…

I once stumbled upon this youtube about Transnistria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kub-Ehbd4 Really fascinating, I had never even heard of the place. They really make it seem like the country is dependent on black market arms deals of former Soviet stock. Is it actually true?

It runs almost entirely on black market dealings (weapons, human sex slaves) and criminal enterprises. It's often called "the black hole" of Europe. It's very difficult to live there.
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