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How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by smoe »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #146
smoe wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I might have simplified too much and "designated" is probably the wrong english word. They wouldn't have forced him to marry a cousin, rather strongly proposed it. Nevertheless, it was clearly expected from him, that he'd stick within this small community. So the choice left was, to do what he wanted and lose almost everything except his education, or comply. This was around 35 years ago in rural Zürich. A str…

"televisions aren't products of the devil himself anymore" The scary thing is, today they are (in some parts of the world). I turn on the TV something like once a month and it feels like a portal to Hell has suddently opened in my living room.

Haha, true:) Fun thing is for me, I'm properly the most irreligious person in the whole family, but also the only one who doesn't own a tv.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by webkike »

dTal wrote: post #140
rjzzleep wrote: post #134

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uh ok, i tell you what. i grew up in germany, i'm highly educated, i speak fluent german without accent(you know like most people that were born in the us, speak english without an accent). in fact i speak 4 languages fluent+ a little of a couple others. everyone that had to deal with me on a personal level tried to hire me at some point. when i came back from the states i met a buttload of people that were telling m…

In my experience, most people that were born in the U.S. speak English with an atrocious accent.

This is incredibly subjective, and I would argue altogether untrue, although that is also subjective.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by kryptiskt »

_delirium wrote: post #62
Nursie wrote: post #50

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She's not in pakistan though, she's in Spain, where they have concepts like asylum for people that may be murdered if they return to their home country.

Asylum does exist, but some countries in Europe are making it harder and harder to avail oneself of the option, due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment. Spain grants only a small number of asylum requests, e.g. 230 people in 2012. Some of it is official policy, and some unofficial policy of just making it as difficult as possible to actually claim asylum and get a proper hearing. If she were in Sweden, the odds would…

If she went to Sweden she would be sent back to Spain for asylum processing, there is a treaty that a refugee in EU is the responsibility of the arrival country. One of the reasons that Sweden can be generous, it's hard to get here directly.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by kryptiskt »

logfromblammo wrote: post #117
_delirium wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asylum does exist, but some countries in Europe are making it harder and harder to avail oneself of the option, due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment. Spain grants only a small number of asylum requests, e.g. 230 people in 2012. Some of it is official policy, and some unofficial policy of just making it as difficult as possible to actually claim asylum and get a proper hearing. If she were in Sweden, the odds would…

Besides that, if she requests and receives asylum in Sweden, Norway, Finland, or Denmark, she can likely continue studying for her university degree there, even without any family support. I think Sweden might have recently restricted non-European foreigners, though--I can't recall.

Those countries are not alike. Norway, Finland and Denmark are all very restrictive in immigration matters.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by sentenza »

rjzzleep wrote: post #134
ef4 wrote: post #124

I know better than to try to give advice when I can't relate at all to her situation. But I would just like to take this opportunity to say "fuck you" to her relatives in the United States. Economic opportunity and personal liberty are a package deal, you want one without the other and you're playing with fire. You're guaranteed to lose, either quickly or slowly. Quickly if this young woman continues down the path sh…

uh ok, i tell you what. i grew up in germany, i'm highly educated, i speak fluent german without accent(you know like most people that were born in the us, speak english without an accent). in fact i speak 4 languages fluent+ a little of a couple others. everyone that had to deal with me on a personal level tried to hire me at some point. when i came back from the states i met a buttload of people that were telling m…

I can second the police thing. My personal experience, as a German born Germanoid of the most German kind is that interactions with the police here are just horrible. I get selected "randomly" at every traffic stop because of my long hair, but all the short-haired people I know get pulled over maybe once in ten years.

The black thing, however, does not represent all of Germany. There are real regional differences here, mostly an east-west divide. (Not that it couldn't happen everywhere. Assholes are omnipresent, but the density varies.)

Also, younger people tend to be a lot more cosmopolitan and relaxed around fellow dwellers with "non-standard" appearance.

Edit: Another thing regarding the Bahnhof incident: The DB stormtroopers are "special" in the sense that I am actually scared of these people. Where do they even get that kind of hooligan? The regular police listens to reason and treats you with a modicum of respect, but these DB goons are basically bouncers in uniform.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by jessaustin »

vpeters25 wrote: post #65

My advice to her: NEVER get in trouble with any country's government on purpose, completely abandon this line of thought and figure out something else. I bet she would rather live with her "stupid in-laws" than in a Federal PMITA facility.

IANAL, I doubt that the penalty for being denied entry is anal rape in a federal penitentiary. I thought the penalty was, you know, being denied entry.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by turar »

MichaelGG wrote: post #121

If she's coming over to live, then she should be denied entry anyways. Perhaps just stay straight-out "I'm moving here." Maybe throw in something about maybe getting a job "To have more money for our family." Neither of those are total lies, but any CBP agent that's not asleep should block entry. She might even just tell them the situation, ask to see a supervisor and go from there. They may be able to provide someth…

> When I said he didn't know when it was (I had a 3 hour layover), he said it didn't matter, he'd make sure.

Why did (s)he do that? Did you miss your flight?

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by _delirium »

kryptiskt wrote: post #153
_delirium wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asylum does exist, but some countries in Europe are making it harder and harder to avail oneself of the option, due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment. Spain grants only a small number of asylum requests, e.g. 230 people in 2012. Some of it is official policy, and some unofficial policy of just making it as difficult as possible to actually claim asylum and get a proper hearing. If she were in Sweden, the odds would…

If she went to Sweden she would be sent back to Spain for asylum processing, there is a treaty that a refugee in EU is the responsibility of the arrival country. One of the reasons that Sweden can be generous, it's hard to get here directly.

Yeah that's true. I meant she'd be in a better situation if she had been a student at a Swedish university, rather than a student at Spanish university, not that she can move to Sweden now. Sweden gives about 15x as many asylum offers each year as Spain (~3500 people/yr vs. 230 people/yr), despite having a much smaller population, though admittedly a wealthier one. It also tends to actually follow the rules on processing applications, rather than inventing bureaucratic technicalities to prevent them from being recorded as formally filed in the first place. Spain receives a lot more immigrants than Sweden, as you note, but somehow records very few asylum applications as even submitted.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

rdl wrote: post #143
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #131

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That sounds like the real problem to me. I know I'll come off as a culturally-insensitive douchebag for saying this, but the fact that somebody isn't used to saying "no", or even being able to say "no", doesn't mean that it isn't the best option. That's not to say that it is the best option here (like most, I'm not terribly familiar with the person's particular situation), but I think that "I'm not used to doing X" i…

Actually there are plenty of cases of honor killings even in the civilized world. Not necessarily in this case.

Do you mind providing me with some examples of civilized honor killings?

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by spc476 »

I'm surprised no one came up with the "NO-FLY" list excuse. If she goes to the airport alone, that's trivial---she goes to the airport, waits an hour, comes back and says, "I was refused because I am on the US' no-fly list." The US does not confirm nor deny any name on the list, so it's hard to check.
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