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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

rdl wrote: post #106
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

More specifically, she still expects her family to support her financially, so she can't say "no".

That sounds like the real problem to me.

I know I'll come off as a culturally-insensitive douchebag for saying this, but the fact that somebody isn't used to saying "no", or even being able to say "no", doesn't mean that it isn't the best option. That's not to say that it is the best option here (like most, I'm not terribly familiar with the person's particular situation), but I think that "I'm not used to doing X" isn't a great reason to not do X.

EDIT: Apparently this person fears for their life if they disobey their family's wishes? That's god-damned barbaric.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

marquis wrote: post #31
sergiotapia wrote: post #28

Wow what trash suggestions that woman is getting. "Just report him." What the fuck SE community? Just ruin the lives of more than one family living in the states just because this girl is too chicken to just say no - from thousands of miles away no less.

She's not chicken. Saying that is disrespectful to the culture she is coming from. She is trying to find the most diplomatic way to extricate herself from an arranged marriage without destroying her connections to her family.

>Saying that is disrespectful to the culture she is coming from.

I'm getting the feeling that the culture she comes from is causing her to fear for her life because of disobedience. She may deserve respect herself, but her culture certainly doesn't.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by rjzzleep »

ef4 wrote: post #124

I know better than to try to give advice when I can't relate at all to her situation. But I would just like to take this opportunity to say "fuck you" to her relatives in the United States. Economic opportunity and personal liberty are a package deal, you want one without the other and you're playing with fire. You're guaranteed to lose, either quickly or slowly. Quickly if this young woman continues down the path sh…

uh ok, i tell you what. i grew up in germany, i'm highly educated, i speak fluent german without accent(you know like most people that were born in the us, speak english without an accent). in fact i speak 4 languages fluent+ a little of a couple others. everyone that had to deal with me on a personal level tried to hire me at some point.

when i came back from the states i met a buttload of people that were telling me how racist the americans are. so i asked one just a few days back.

"tell me, so everyones telling me how racist they are in the south, and it's kinda true, but how do you guys treat black people over here anyway?"

you know what she answered?

"it's different"

when i entered the train station with my bike yesterday, i almost got beaten up by security guards. you know why? because i got into the train station with a bike, and well just because ... ;) and you know what the two germans did that saw that? they told me this:

"you better run away, they might come down and beat you up"

talk about opportunity. yes, germany gives you the opportunity to study. for free. in some of the best universities of the planet. but you pay the price in a different manner.

you know how much the TSA sucks? you wanna know why you don't hear about patdowns in germany? because they're not even newsworthy.

edit: people make their choices, so what the op does is up to them. i consider it a little foolish. but on other hand think about it. it doesn't seem like she wants to get banned for life. otherwise she could have just posted some stupid thing on twitter like others have done

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by acomar »

einhverfr wrote: post #95
Dylan16807 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The first official use of the term "Middle East" by the United States government was in the 1957 Eisenhower Doctrine, which pertained to the Suez Crisis. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles defined the Middle East as "the area lying between and including Libya on the west and Pakistan on the east, Syria and Iraq on the North and the Arabian peninsula to the south, plus the Sudan and Ethiopia." Pakistan is on the e…

It depends on what you mean though. If you include the Islamic Indo-Iranian states, Pakistan is. If you exclude them, Iran and Afghanistan are not. Maybe the right answer is "the Middle East is a spherical cow anyway."

That's what happens when you try to draw lines in sand...

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

Nursie wrote: post #69
Forplax wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, am too chicken to get myself murdered. "if I do something which brings dishonour to my family they'll kill me and my mother will get in trouble as well. I know it's hard for you to understand but this is how my culture is."

If nobody ever takes a stand then this is how it will continue as well.

I agree completely. I think a lot of people will look at the things that I say and call me an asshole for saying them, but I really think that's true. If people don't take a stand against this sort of shit, it will continue. The game keeps going because people keep playing it.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by fleitz »

disputin wrote: post #56

I am clearly not a lawyer: if you tell passport control that you lost your drugs on the plane, there will be no evidence to prosecute you, but they probably won't let you in. More seriously, just don't get on the plane, then after a period of time contact your family and tell them you got refused entry. Spend a day or two at the airport or a nearby hotel.

No no no, please do not mention anything about drugs, you will get a lifetime ban.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

chunky1994 wrote: post #23
yason wrote: post #3

The reason why this was asked is baffling to me. If you don't want to go, then do not go . I assume the AP was an adult. Adults don't need to resort to tricks like trying to get rejected: adults can just reject the invite themselves.

I find it quite baffling too. It seems that a majority of people trapped in these situations lack the strength to reject them and make decisions for themselves, rather than blindly follow cultural obligations. Since the OP lives in Spain and is a Spanish resident, it's a rather reasonable guess that she's managed to to mitigate her circumstance to one that's manageable (by putting distance between her family and hers…

I think part of it is they are paying for her college and living expenses.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by logfromblammo »

_delirium wrote: post #120
logfromblammo wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides that, if she requests and receives asylum in Sweden, Norway, Finland, or Denmark, she can likely continue studying for her university degree there, even without any family support. I think Sweden might have recently restricted non-European foreigners, though--I can't recall.

All of them except Norway have restricted the free education to EU/EEA citizens, I believe. University is still free in Norway for anyone of any citizenship, although even there there is some kind of requirement to prove ability to sustain yourself (might be possible through part-time jobs). Denmark, Finland, and Sweden have all introduced tuition fees for non-EU citizens, about €8k/yr in Denmark. However I don't kno…

Scandinavia and Iceland are pretty much the world leaders with respect to women's rights now, and have a keen interest in their public welfare, so if I were a woman without any form of family support, in fear for my life thanks to a tradition of honor murders in my native culture, I'd rather be there than anywhere else in the world. Even if people frown at you because you're a stranger, at least they aren't killing you because they know you too well.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by dTal »

rjzzleep wrote: post #134
ef4 wrote: post #124

I know better than to try to give advice when I can't relate at all to her situation. But I would just like to take this opportunity to say "fuck you" to her relatives in the United States. Economic opportunity and personal liberty are a package deal, you want one without the other and you're playing with fire. You're guaranteed to lose, either quickly or slowly. Quickly if this young woman continues down the path sh…

uh ok, i tell you what. i grew up in germany, i'm highly educated, i speak fluent german without accent(you know like most people that were born in the us, speak english without an accent). in fact i speak 4 languages fluent+ a little of a couple others. everyone that had to deal with me on a personal level tried to hire me at some point. when i came back from the states i met a buttload of people that were telling m…

In my experience, most people that were born in the U.S. speak English with an atrocious accent.
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