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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by runarberg »

It's a pity I can't answer on the SE but I have experience in this matter, I came to the US (through Newark) once with a visa to stay for 6 months, without proof of financial support, without contact information for somebody in the US, reluctance to tell my purpose, and a tent as my means of accommodation. I was taken to a back room where they were going to deny me entry, but I manage to persuade them that I had an uncle living in Texas and a friend in Oregon.

So my advice is, go there without money, accommodation, contacts or purpose, and they won't let you in.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by _delirium »

Nursie wrote: post #50
yummyfajitas wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he is taking her at her word? From the article: I have said "No" but being a Pakistani girl there's nothing I can do. I was even forced to marry that guy who is 15 years older than me. And I would say goodbye to everything but I have to wait for the right time. I'm being mean though, I need my family right now to support me until I finish my school. And then it will be up to me. I know I sound selfish but it's…

She's not in pakistan though, she's in Spain, where they have concepts like asylum for people that may be murdered if they return to their home country.

Asylum does exist, but some countries in Europe are making it harder and harder to avail oneself of the option, due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment. Spain grants only a small number of asylum requests, e.g. 230 people in 2012. Some of it is official policy, and some unofficial policy of just making it as difficult as possible to actually claim asylum and get a proper hearing. If she were in Sweden, the odds would be better.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by Forplax »

sergiotapia wrote: post #28

Wow what trash suggestions that woman is getting. "Just report him." What the fuck SE community? Just ruin the lives of more than one family living in the states just because this girl is too chicken to just say no - from thousands of miles away no less.

I, too, am too chicken to get myself murdered.

"if I do something which brings dishonour to my family they'll kill me and my mother will get in trouble as well. I know it's hard for you to understand but this is how my culture is."

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by smoe »

_delirium wrote: post #57
smoe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the "just say no" sayer here. I do understand, that the author is from Pakistan and currently studying in Spain. But, even though I think family is important, sometimes you have to value your own will over that of the family, no matter the cost. My father lost almost all of his friends, decades of relations, and didn't had contact with his family for years, because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a wo…

It sounds like she's worried about practicalities too, though, not only relationship with family. She indicated she's willing to cut ties after she finishes school, but they're currently financially supporting her studies. If she graduates from a university in Spain she has a much better chance of getting a job & work permit to stay in Europe. It's possible she could stay in Spain even if they cut off support, but it…

Yes, I understand now that the main issue seems to be, that the family pays her studies in Spain. This really is a though call. Even if Spain would grant asylum, I guess that would be the end of her studies for quite a while.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

songshu wrote: post #51
geff82 wrote: post #18

Families are MUCH closer in Pakistan and the rest of the Middle East than they are in the western world. Doing things against the families will can get you in big trouble and leave you without your family at all. The main difference between the Middle East and the West is: in the west, you grow up and you are taught by your parents how to stay on your own. That is why Westerners often only see their parents and broth…

Pakistan is not a Middle Eastern country

>The first official use of the term "Middle East" by the United States government was in the 1957 Eisenhower Doctrine, which pertained to the Suez Crisis. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles defined the Middle East as "the area lying between and including Libya on the west and Pakistan on the east, Syria and Iraq on the North and the Arabian peninsula to the south, plus the Sudan and Ethiopia."

Pakistan is on the edge, including or excluding it's more of an opinion thing.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by Fomite »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #49
smcl wrote: post #2

This doesn't sound like a great idea. A friend of mine with an Indian passport and a valid UK work visa was visiting Northern Ireland and decided to try to sneak a quick bus trip into Republic of Ireland. Their bus was randomly stopped and everyone's passports were checked (these are pretty infrequent, I believe), the police quickly noticed they didn't have a valid visa for Ireland, took their details and then took t…

I presume this was many years ago. There aren't any border checks I know of between the North and South or Ireland these days. I take the bus and train to Dublin all the time and drive there quite often and have not seen a checkpoint since the 90's.

The only bus I ever took from Dublin to Belfast and back was boarded by immigration and our papers checked.

This was 2006.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by tinco »

strictfp wrote: post #44
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

Even though this advice isn't something she might consider in her current situation, it might be good for her to hear it. After all, she's basically a hostage in this situation, and hearing people confirm this might prevent her from getting stuck in a "Stockholm syndrome". And frankly, I think her best move in this situation would be to say no and find refuge for herself. Yes, family members might get seriously injur…

You are forgetting that she is in college, and desires to continue to do so.

Overtly saying no will most likely result in family or friends of family going after her in Spain. Once you enter the Shengen area of Europe, which is reachable by car from Pakistan you can basically get anywhere. There are countless easily traversed borders to this area in corrupt/poorer countries. After that there's close to no border checks.

It is really easy for friends/family to get to Spain and make her life difficult there.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by Nursie »

Forplax wrote: post #63
sergiotapia wrote: post #28

Wow what trash suggestions that woman is getting. "Just report him." What the fuck SE community? Just ruin the lives of more than one family living in the states just because this girl is too chicken to just say no - from thousands of miles away no less.

I, too, am too chicken to get myself murdered. "if I do something which brings dishonour to my family they'll kill me and my mother will get in trouble as well. I know it's hard for you to understand but this is how my culture is."

If nobody ever takes a stand then this is how it will continue as well.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by dasil003 »

songshu wrote: post #51
geff82 wrote: post #18

Families are MUCH closer in Pakistan and the rest of the Middle East than they are in the western world. Doing things against the families will can get you in big trouble and leave you without your family at all. The main difference between the Middle East and the West is: in the west, you grow up and you are taught by your parents how to stay on your own. That is why Westerners often only see their parents and broth…

Pakistan is not a Middle Eastern country

Yeah and my dad (Brazilian) is fond of saying that Brazil is not a Latin American country because of language and cultural divide between Spanish vs Portuguese colonies.

Fine, both of those are valid beliefs. But you shouldn't feel the need to inject them as a tangent in random conversations to educate people. You will never ever win this battle.

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