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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by dalore »

tinco wrote: post #108
khuey wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pakistan is much farther away than you think it is. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-KHI,+JFK-LAX

Hmm that's weird, I measured by going to google maps, spreading my fingers between Amsterdam and Pakistan. I then scrolled to the U.S. while holding my fingers in that position, and the distance difference was like ~20%, according to your flightplan it's almost twice as far though. Not sure what went wrong there :) edit: using http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm I find 5600km for Amsterdam -> Islama…

You are measure a 3d projection on a 2d plane. There has to be distortion somewhere. Most likely they use the mercator projection which has places further from the equator appear bigger than the ones near the equator.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by dasil003 »

DrJokepu wrote: post #116
dasil003 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and my dad (Brazilian) is fond of saying that Brazil is not a Latin American country because of language and cultural divide between Spanish vs Portuguese colonies. Fine, both of those are valid beliefs. But you shouldn't feel the need to inject them as a tangent in random conversations to educate people. You will never ever win this battle.

But Pakistan is not a Middle Eastern country. It's not a belief, it's a fact. I think he was right to point that out.

Names are human constructs not facts.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by rdl »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #131
rdl wrote: post #106

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More specifically, she still expects her family to support her financially, so she can't say "no".

That sounds like the real problem to me. I know I'll come off as a culturally-insensitive douchebag for saying this, but the fact that somebody isn't used to saying "no", or even being able to say "no", doesn't mean that it isn't the best option. That's not to say that it is the best option here (like most, I'm not terribly familiar with the person's particular situation), but I think that "I'm not used to doing X" i…

Actually there are plenty of cases of honor killings even in the civilized world. Not necessarily in this case.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by logfromblammo »

smtddr wrote: post #38
Fuxy wrote: post #22

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Why do you assume that? Just because she's from Pakistan? Regardless my culture isn't that rosy either I just choose to reject it and was lucky that my family didn't really care. Regardless if you're life is in danger that's the equivalent of slavery and their not your family anymore their your masters. If you're OK with living that kind of life fine and just give up and go to the US otherwise you need to disappear a…

I'm going to try to explain this; but words really won't do it justice. I cannot convey the strength of "cultural bonds" with text on a computer screen. As someone from a Nigerian family, we too normally have very strong family bonds. You can't just do whatever you want. The closest thing I could compare it to is kinda of like, all your family is considered immediate-family. In the same way you must balance decisions…

I have seen a bare fragment of this in my wife's family. It's the crab bucket culture, and is highly destructive to individual growth.

There may be valid reasons for such a culture to exist, but for the most part, they do not apply in rich industrial nations. China, for instance, is about to feel some cultural growing pains thanks to its generation under the One Child Policy and its increasing urban industrialization.

Once a strong family network is no longer necessary for individual prosperity, it tends to collapse back down to a smaller, more manageable size. You don't have to carry your creepy uncle, and your layabout second cousin, and your overbearing great aunt on your back any more, because they can all get factory jobs and/or welfare payments.

This lady, between Spain and the US, has a better opportunity to escape the crab bucket than she will ever have in Pakistan. If she does not take it soon, even without the degree, she may be condemning herself to a life without freedom by her own choice.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by Sharlin »

tinco wrote: post #108
khuey wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pakistan is much farther away than you think it is. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-KHI,+JFK-LAX

Hmm that's weird, I measured by going to google maps, spreading my fingers between Amsterdam and Pakistan. I then scrolled to the U.S. while holding my fingers in that position, and the distance difference was like ~20%, according to your flightplan it's almost twice as far though. Not sure what went wrong there :) edit: using http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm I find 5600km for Amsterdam -> Islama…

The old Google Maps had/has a real distance measurement tool. Shame that the new doesn't, at least not yet.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by guard-of-terra »

smoe wrote: post #119
guard-of-terra wrote: post #85

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"because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a woman from Finland whom he loved instead of the 2nd degree cousin the family has designated for him" Wow, now you owe us a story describing which community in Switzerland does things like this.

Sorry, I might have simplified too much and "designated" is probably the wrong english word. They wouldn't have forced him to marry a cousin, rather strongly proposed it. Nevertheless, it was clearly expected from him, that he'd stick within this small community. So the choice left was, to do what he wanted and lose almost everything except his education, or comply. This was around 35 years ago in rural Zürich. A str…

"televisions aren't products of the devil himself anymore"

The scary thing is, today they are (in some parts of the world).

I turn on the TV something like once a month and it feels like a portal to Hell has suddently opened in my living room.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by smoe »

LaGrange wrote: post #130
smoe wrote: post #112

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The original question mentioned, that she didn't want to live with her stupid in-laws and husband, as well as vague family issues. I don't jump to conclusions, that just because she is Pakistani and has a family that likes to push her around, that they're bloodthirstily maniacs. The comment about getting herself killed, was about what happens, if she gets her family in trouble, not if she just left them. As I underst…

You should read more than a headline. She explicitly says that her mother and sister live in Pakistan. I'm being a bit harsh here, but in this case being quick to comment on the issue without reading through the entire thread can actually be damaging. Also, "trouble" also means dishonor in this case. Even her language in the original post was pretty clear (though only if you've ever read about such cases before, I ad…

EDIT: Big correction

Sorry, it's clearly my fault. Although I thought I read through the whole thread, I somehow managed to miss her already existing answers, that her mother and sister could get in trouble in Pakistan, and that she already called homeland security to get her husband deported. Which voids most of my prior reasoning.

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old answer:

I partially agree, I should have waited longer. I actually read through the information, that was available at that time (on Stack Exchange, not HN). Otherwise, I wouldn't have posted my comment.

That "trouble", was in my opinion a response to suggestions to get her husband deported, who is overstaying in the US. But as I read it again, it may as well mean if they found out she tricked them to believe she got denied from immigrations.

Still, I'm under the impression, that her main concern with not complying is, that the family would no longer support her financially in Spain, than actually harm her:

"And I would say goodbye to everything but I have to wait for the right time. I'm being mean though, I need my family right now to support me until I finish my school. And then it will be up to me."

I might be ignorant, but as a double citizen with very few full citizens within my circle of friends, I try to rule out social and cultural background as far as feasible, because the way negative as well as positive prejudices influence reasoning.

That being said, I still think, if its possible for her to get help from human right groups and or government, she should just say no and abandon the family. Maybe move to another country in the Schengen area. The self-deportation scheme might buy her some time, but the story will repeat.

I'm aware, that it's easy for me to say, since I'm not affected. But if been around people who have been in similar or worse situations. That's why I care about this topic and why I commented.

She is currently in Spain, studies and has a Job, which gives her a more promising initial position, than way too many other women on this planet. I really hope she gets out of this hell soon.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by vacri »

Nursie wrote: post #45

Go to the Spanish authorities, tell them the situation (illegally living in the USA) and that you fear for your life and need asylum in Spain. F*ck the sort of family that marries you to someone 15 years older against your will, frankly.

Would forced marriage be okay if the age difference was smaller?
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