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How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by LaGrange »

marquis wrote: post #31
sergiotapia wrote: post #28

Wow what trash suggestions that woman is getting. "Just report him." What the fuck SE community? Just ruin the lives of more than one family living in the states just because this girl is too chicken to just say no - from thousands of miles away no less.

She's not chicken. Saying that is disrespectful to the culture she is coming from. She is trying to find the most diplomatic way to extricate herself from an arranged marriage without destroying her connections to her family.

Please note that when she says about different culture she doesn’t mean even she respects it, in any other way that you might „respect” a bully. It’s not about destroying her connection with family, it’s about avoiding violence against her, her mother and her sister.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by pyre »

dobbsbob wrote: post #47

Easy, when asked why you are are entering the states say 'no reason' and get a 24hr to year long ban. I've tested this when my idiot friend gave that response while we were driving across the peace arch border.

Might be different if you have a Canadian passport, than if you have a Pakistani passport.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by guard-of-terra »

smoe wrote: post #52
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

One of the "just say no" sayer here. I do understand, that the author is from Pakistan and currently studying in Spain. But, even though I think family is important, sometimes you have to value your own will over that of the family, no matter the cost. My father lost almost all of his friends, decades of relations, and didn't had contact with his family for years, because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a wo…

"because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a woman from Finland whom he loved instead of the 2nd degree cousin the family has designated for him"

Wow, now you owe us a story describing which community in Switzerland does things like this.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by aestra »

Fuxy wrote: post #6

This can be solved with just the following: "Honey I love you but i can go through that ordeal i had last time again. I love my life here and i don't want to go we're going to have to find another way." If you can't be straight with your husband you might as well divorce now it's not going to get easier.

Yeah friggin right.

This woman is Pakistani. An Islamic marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam) is between a man and the wali of a woman, who gives her to the husband to be his wife, NOT a contract between the two members of the marriage. A wali is a "guardian" of a women. (or really, owner) The bride does not even need to be present when the marriage contract is signed.

>Honey I love you

She does not appear to love or even like her husband.

Disobeying her family is punishable by death. It also brings great shame to her family and can endanger her mother for example.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by einhverfr »

aestra wrote: post #82
einhverfr wrote: post #76

An obvious answer is go to the US and sue for divorce, and return to Pakistan?

Except their marriage is probably a Pakistani one.

Question: Will Pakistan recognize the divorce as long as they were living in the US at the time? My bet would be on yes.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by kalleboo »

yason wrote: post #3

The reason why this was asked is baffling to me. If you don't want to go, then do not go . I assume the AP was an adult. Adults don't need to resort to tricks like trying to get rejected: adults can just reject the invite themselves.

She has a Pakistani family. It sounds like she's in a forced arranged marriage. This is a culture that condones murdering family members who don't obey their parents[0]. Even if her family isn't that radical, it should give you an idea of the kind of thoughts she's having.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_in_Pakistan "honour killings have a high level of support in Pakistan's rural society"

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by aestra »

bitJericho wrote: post #19
yason wrote: post #3

The reason why this was asked is baffling to me. If you don't want to go, then do not go . I assume the AP was an adult. Adults don't need to resort to tricks like trying to get rejected: adults can just reject the invite themselves.

Surely she could just say she was rejected. Does she need notarized proof??

She said her family is "smart" and some work at JFK. She believes they will know if she didn't actually come.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by aestra »

yason wrote: post #3

The reason why this was asked is baffling to me. If you don't want to go, then do not go . I assume the AP was an adult. Adults don't need to resort to tricks like trying to get rejected: adults can just reject the invite themselves.

Disobeying her family is an offense punishable by murder in some cultures. Don't you guys get that!!!!???? This is a cultural acceptable practice.

Women aren't "adults" in this situation. They are property of men.

In addition - she said it can get her parents (mostly mother) in trouble and probably danger. This is probably because when a women disobeys she brings shame to her entire family. Her inlaws may attack her mother for her actions.

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