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How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by whizzkid »

Most of suggestions people give on this problem is like this;

Problem: Site doesn't work in IE

Solution: Then don't use it.

It is not that easy.

Her problem is really complex one. As i can not answer it on site (protected question), i will try to give some ideas to her here.

She needs to somehow trick the family members and the husband in US. One solution can be getting a fake paper that wants her to give information about the people she is related in US. This can stop family members asking her to come to US, since her husband is not legally living there. But connecting this fake paper to her travel to US is little tricky. Family needs to somehow believe that it is coming from government. Maybe women rights association can help with this one, if she can reach them.

The other option can be to somehow make them believe that she took the flight but they send her back. In this case she needs to find a really good excuse that family members will believe and will not investigate further.

If you think these are reasonable ideas, please let her know on travel.stackexchange, because i can not.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by terranstyler »

myzerox wrote: post #43

"I want to start a company, employ US citizens, pay taxes, and drive GDP growth."

The officials deciding about your status most probably couldn't care less.

This is not an opinion but my experience (I tried exactly that line tough in a different country)

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by [deleted] »

mherdeg wrote: post #60
mherdeg wrote: post #55

Does Spain have an equivalent to the UK government's "forced marriage unit" ( https://www.gov.uk/forced-marriage ), an agency whose job is to help people in this kind of situation?

Looking closer — I think no?. Some of the European countries which criminalize forced marriage, according to this June 2012 survey ( https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm... ), include: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, and Germany. In Austria: "Forcing someone into marriage is a distinct criminal offence in Austria. Austrians and people living in Austria are facing legal consequences for such…

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by [deleted] »

terranstyler wrote: post #72
myzerox wrote: post #43

"I want to start a company, employ US citizens, pay taxes, and drive GDP growth."

The officials deciding about your status most probably couldn't care less. This is not an opinion but my experience (I tried exactly that line tough in a different country)

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by [deleted] »

Fuxy wrote: post #54
smtddr wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to try to explain this; but words really won't do it justice. I cannot convey the strength of "cultural bonds" with text on a computer screen. As someone from a Nigerian family, we too normally have very strong family bonds. You can't just do whatever you want. The closest thing I could compare it to is kinda of like, all your family is considered immediate-family. In the same way you must balance decisions…

You're probably right i don't understand it. That's a lot of energy and effort put into pleasing people whom can and probably do have ulterior motives just so you can belong to a group. Is that group really wort all that effort? Does belonging to that group get you where you want to go? The answer for me was a resounding no but it could be different for you. There's very few people worth my respect and consideration…

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Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by tinco »

tinco wrote: post #68
strictfp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though this advice isn't something she might consider in her current situation, it might be good for her to hear it. After all, she's basically a hostage in this situation, and hearing people confirm this might prevent her from getting stuck in a "Stockholm syndrome". And frankly, I think her best move in this situation would be to say no and find refuge for herself. Yes, family members might get seriously injur…

You are forgetting that she is in college, and desires to continue to do so. Overtly saying no will most likely result in family or friends of family going after her in Spain. Once you enter the Shengen area of Europe, which is reachable by car from Pakistan you can basically get anywhere. There are countless easily traversed borders to this area in corrupt/poorer countries. After that there's close to no border chec…

Living in The Netherlands it's easy to forget that these countries are not actually separated from Europe in any way. The distance between Amsterdam and Pakistan is comparable (a bit longer) to the distance between L.A. and New York.

A cool story that was recently in the Dutch news reduces that perceived distance, when an independent car rental business owner pursues and retrieves one of his cars all the way in Iraq:

http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_...

The thieves just rented a car, and drove there. Possibly to fight Jihad.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by aestra »

strictfp wrote: post #44
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

Even though this advice isn't something she might consider in her current situation, it might be good for her to hear it. After all, she's basically a hostage in this situation, and hearing people confirm this might prevent her from getting stuck in a "Stockholm syndrome". And frankly, I think her best move in this situation would be to say no and find refuge for herself. Yes, family members might get seriously injur…

Seriously? You know she can die for doing this? Honor killings are real for women not obeying her family, especially in matters of sex and marriage.

Sandeela Kanwal - killed by her parents for trying to leave her arranged marriage.

Noor Almaleki - murdered by her parents for (among other things) shunning arranged marriage. The other things were trying to be too western, like wanting to have the privilege of driving a car.

Those are the ones that just took place in the US lately.

You have no idea what is is like to be in her situation!!

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by LaGrange »

smoe wrote: post #52
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

One of the "just say no" sayer here. I do understand, that the author is from Pakistan and currently studying in Spain. But, even though I think family is important, sometimes you have to value your own will over that of the family, no matter the cost. My father lost almost all of his friends, decades of relations, and didn't had contact with his family for years, because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a wo…

See the "I don't want my family to get in trouble, they're gonna kill me if they find out that I did something at the airport.” comment later? Think it’s a hyperbole? Well, it’s not.

Re: How to intentionally get denied entry into the United States?

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Post by aestra »

smoe wrote: post #52
Hansi wrote: post #10

I fear this will get a lot of "Just say no" comments from people that don't understand that the author is from Pakistan and most likely grew up in a completely different culture than most of us are used to. And it seems like she's not villing/able to cut of contact with her family as I would maybe do if I were in her place, but I'll never be so it's hard to even imagine what I'd do.

One of the "just say no" sayer here. I do understand, that the author is from Pakistan and currently studying in Spain. But, even though I think family is important, sometimes you have to value your own will over that of the family, no matter the cost. My father lost almost all of his friends, decades of relations, and didn't had contact with his family for years, because he decided to leave the "sect" and marry a wo…

Christian Switzerland doesn't have a history of honor killings.
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