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I think the grandparent's point is to focus on things that are actionable . If you are worried about the information Google collects on you and so choose not to use Google products - fine, that's your right. But if you're worried about the information Google collects on you and so choose to plaster that all over message boards every time Google is mentioned - exactly what are you accomplishing? Do you think the peopl…
> if you're worried about the information Google collects on you and so choose to plaster that all over message boards every time Google is mentioned - exactly what are you accomplishing? If you're worried about the information Google collects about /everybody/, and you're posting in /relevant topics/, I think you're accomplishing quite a lot. I think it's really important that when new technology is announced, inter…
Project Tango
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This has applications even for, uh, "normal" people. For example, online real estate portals. People who are house-hunting would probably appreciate floorplans or a 3D tour. Agents, landlords or property developers would be able to easily create those with their mobile device.
>Agents, landlords or property developers would be able to easily create those with their mobile device But they won't! It is very difficult to get those people to post more than a low res picture of one room online when they can very easily walk through the house with a video camera, for example. Even large apartment complexes have 1-2 pictures on their website and call it a day.
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#243"Imagine measuring your room by just walking around in it." Yes, and imagine transmitting each of those footsteps in real time back to Google, so they can have a map of your room, too, in case they, or other parties, ever need it. I was just having a discussion yesterday with a friend who works at Google about what data they store when you query their search engine. Every single keystroke, including backspaces, is st…
Good god I am so sick of reading comments like this. This view of the world is just lazy . Almost as lazy as "remember, if you're using a service for free, you're not the customer, YOU'RE THE PRODUCT!", which seems to get parroted every single time there is any discussion related to google, facebook, microsoft, instagram, twitter, or any other web company that uses ads as a revenue model. Yes, google can know what yo…
I suppose your comment has, if nothing else, the virtue of being relatively novel compared against either the comments of those unaware of the privacy implications of much modern technology or those concerned by them. People who are largely aware and untroubled do seem to be in the minority.
> This view of the world is just lazy. Almost as lazy as "remember, if you're using a service for free, you're not the customer, YOU'RE THE PRODUCT!", which seems to get parroted every single time there is any discussion related to google, facebook, microsoft, instagram, twitter, or any other web company that uses ads as a revenue model.
It appears to be, if not 100% correct, a generally good heuristic, and a way of pointing out to people that the costs of participating in nominally free services are often hidden. Perhaps you could explain how this is lazy.
> If you don't like these services, don't use them / If you don't like modernity, stop using modernity.
Whew! Simple binary options. It's all clear now, and anybody who's thinking about this can safely choose one without worrying any further (or being accused of being... lazy, right?).
Or maybe some of us "lazy" people would like to explore the possibility of having a world where we can have the benefits of the technologies and minimize the problems.
> Have you, or any of the other people on HN who repeat this ad nauseum, ever considered the possibility that the people running google are actually just hackers who got lucky enough to have the resources to pursue projects that they think are cool?
I suspect many of them are. My acquaintances who work there seem to be.
But perhaps you are familiar with the aphorism "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" (though perhaps this is something else you consider "lazy"). It doesn't matter what motivated those who pursued a thorough knowledge and practice of various nuclear fission techniques, the fact is that they have various drawbacks (some pretty serious) that aren't a matter of individual opt-in / opt-out. This is true of technologies that extend legibility of personal spaces and activities.
> If you don't like modernity, stop using modernity. Move to a homestead in the pacific northwest, never use a telephone, never use grid power, grow your own vegetables, grow your own cattle, and keep away from the evil, scary spies at gooooogggllleeee
I think I've seen this suggestion before, but less in earnest:
http://www.theonion.com/video/google-opt-out-feature-lets-us...
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Good god I am so sick of reading comments like this. This view of the world is just lazy . Almost as lazy as "remember, if you're using a service for free, you're not the customer, YOU'RE THE PRODUCT!", which seems to get parroted every single time there is any discussion related to google, facebook, microsoft, instagram, twitter, or any other web company that uses ads as a revenue model. Yes, google can know what yo…
I don't think it's laziness. That can be part of it, but I believe the core issue is a specific mentality these type of people have. They see the world in a black and white. "Us" and "them". Their view of the world has these two (or more) sides always in conflict. So, they effectively view Google as an enemy to fight against. My theory as to why people act this way is that they do so to give their lives meaning. That…
What nonsense.
> "Google" is nothing more than a tightly-bound collection of humans.
Yes, and collections of humans tend to exhibit emergent properties / behaviours which are not necessarily ideal in all respects.
Discussion of these properties / behaviours, and their desirability, is not a bad thing.
> They see the world in a black and white. "Us" and "them".
This is humorous to see in a post expounding a false dichotomy between the "two" types of people in the world.
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How about tactical coordination and mapping for teams (i.e. paintball / special operations)? I'm picturing the HUD 'map' from every FPS game, except it is based on the current view and relative locations of the team's devices.
How about a HUD that projects a map onto a firefighter's SCBA facepice? That would be absolutely incredible... Firefighters die every year because they get disoriented and lost in zero-visibility conditions. Even if it didn't have a pre-generated map of the structure loaded... it could build a map as it went, and at least be able to provide a 'retrace my steps' view.
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It uses a Myriad 1 processor from Movidius http://www.movidius.com/tango . It's a custom media coprocessor aimed at mobile devices. I found more information about the processor architecture in these slides : http://www.hotchips.org/wp-content/uploads/hc_archives/hc23/... Edit : Video of the talk associated with the slides http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiTaPRtN2yM
Thanks for the info. Still very impressed with the speed and accuracy, assuming it works as well as they have presented. To be able to compute visual odometry in an arbitrary scene on a mobile device seems like a really big accomplishment, no?
[1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rob.20184/abstrac...
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A decentralized solution for that would be to have user's data stored in user's private cloud, encrypted and cached on the client.
One of the reasons that spelling corrections are so good on Google is (probably) that they are machine learning models trained on query logs(1). i.e. if you search for "hacer news", and then without clicking on any results, issue another query for "hacker news" in a very short timeframe, then it will learn that "hacker" is a good suggestion for "hacer"(2). Similarly for "Mark as Spam", Priority Inbox, Recommended Vid…
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Accelerometers usually don't have significant drift - digital gyroscopes do. The acceleromters are quite noisy though (and measure both gravity and acceleration). From some of the brief images in the intro movie it looks like the cameras are doing tracking and alignment of "interesting" features. Things like that fall into the Simultaneous Localization and Mapping (SLAM) technology area. Very cool stuff.
Well, maybe was I just unlucky, but I tried to use an IMU for my SLAM and was shocked by the extravagant amount of drift of accelerometers.