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Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

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Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#32

The problem with the United States is that there are too many states rather than not enough of them. The states are too small and weak to solve their own problems (e.g, health care, high speed rail) so they have to rely on a dysfunctional federal government that can't solve any real problems these days (e.g., education, immigration, and of course health care).

Agreed. You should not be able to drive across a state in less than two hours.

Those managing the Delaware toll booths on I-95 seem to agree with you.

However, many eastern states can be traversed in on common travel routes in about that time. In clear traffic, you can do the Maryland stretch of I-95 in about two hours. Connecticut and Rhode Island are not particularly large.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#33
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post #8

I don't really see the point, is it for a more strong separation between rich and poor California? edit: It seems they target to have a better ratio senators/californians and to get rid of the debt. details: http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/19/tim-draper-six-californias-...

It's for a more strong separation between rich and poor California. This plan would create the nation's poorest state by per capita income (Central California), and I think Jefferson would also be in the bottom 10. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2014/02/05/rich-stat... http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm (per capita income list as of 2012)

Actually, you think Central CA would be the poorest, although that's assuming policy remains unchanged. Imagine a conservative state within 1+ hr drive of the bay area, that could eliminate personal income tax attracting workers from Silicon Valley, affordable housing, better weather, water control (delta), and agriculture.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes for all licenses with the possibility of different rules. The redone letterhead will be a major cost (no, I'm not joking).

Think about all the flags that the whole nation would have to replace.

Think of all the state drop-downs that need to be replaced.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#36
post #16

Good luck convincing the rest of the country to give your region 10 new senators.

Stacking small states until you have CA's population, you have enough senators to sustain a filibuster. We have 2. This is both undemocratic and unreasonable.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#37
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for a more strong separation between rich and poor California. This plan would create the nation's poorest state by per capita income (Central California), and I think Jefferson would also be in the bottom 10. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2014/02/05/rich-stat... http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm (per capita income list as of 2012)

Actually, you think Central CA would be the poorest, although that's assuming policy remains unchanged. Imagine a conservative state within 1+ hr drive of the bay area, that could eliminate personal income tax attracting workers from Silicon Valley, affordable housing, better weather, water control (delta), and agriculture.

Because the Altamont Pass isn't enough of a parking lot during the commute.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#38
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How do you convince a Republican to vote for this?

Take the two top states (purple & blue) and make them vertical (one coastal, one inland) as opposed to horizontal. That would probably be enough to tip the scales. I do think it might be a problem for Democrats in the first place because CA would no longer be an electoral fortress. Much like the plan to split NYC and surrounding counties from NY state. I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would…

"I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built."

I agree, although there are some desalinization plants already.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#39
post #25

these proposals pop up every season - interesting that it looks like it could be reasonably balanced (from a senate perspective - central, west, and another could vote more 'red'), that means Democrats would lose a part of the gigantic electoral votes CA brings. All in all, probably not going to happen.

On the other hand, every Democratic president for a long time would have still won their election if CA had gone the other way.

Re: Plan To Split California Into Six States Gets OK To Gather Signatures

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take the two top states (purple & blue) and make them vertical (one coastal, one inland) as opposed to horizontal. That would probably be enough to tip the scales. I do think it might be a problem for Democrats in the first place because CA would no longer be an electoral fortress. Much like the plan to split NYC and surrounding counties from NY state. I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would…

"I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built." I agree, although there are some desalinization plants already.

I'm figuring once LA and SF have no political influence over the former CA farmland, there are going to be more.
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