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Re: Leaving Google

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Post by kohanz »

cromwellian wrote: post #28
kohanz wrote: post #12

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Yes, Vancouver housing is incredibly overpriced. Perhaps more-so than the Bay Area because wages have kept up even less (supposedly due to Vancouver's desirability as a destination). That doesn't mean there aren't good, well-paying jobs there, but on average, wages in Vancouver are much lower than, say Toronto. As for the racism aspect, I think the choice of word is a bit hyperbolic. That being said, as a Canadian wh…

Can you give a particular example? I live in the South Bay/Santa Clara and my neighborhood is a diverse collection of Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Europeans immigrants, and African Americans. SV segregation in my area isn't primarily racial, but classist. Most if not all of the people in my neighborhood are white collar professionals -- engineers, lawyers, doctors. There are concentrated ethnic enclaves in the area like…

One thing that stood out to me was that the minimum wage type work was almost exclusively staffed by one particular ethnic minority.

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by fidotron »

jknightco wrote: post #36
fidotron wrote: post #29

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Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

If by "consolidating in a few offices" you mean that growth in MTV, NYC, and ZRH is outpacing growth in places like Boulder, Cambridge, and Kirkland then you're correct; that doesn't mean that the smaller offices aren't growing as well, however.

Not really. If you're in one of those smaller offices you have absolutely no control of your destiny at all, and the glass ceiling is very low.

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by rasur »

habosa wrote: post #22

For those who don't know, Tim Bray was one of the original inventors of the XML spec and has been a Developer Advocate at Google for a while. Shame to see him go, I am joining DevRel at Google in the fall and I thought it was awesome to have someone as experience as Tim working kinda-sorta-near me. Hopefully he goes on to do something great.

Implying XML is not great? ;)

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by cromwellian »

CurtHagenlocher wrote: post #34
cromwellian wrote: post #28

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Can you give a particular example? I live in the South Bay/Santa Clara and my neighborhood is a diverse collection of Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Europeans immigrants, and African Americans. SV segregation in my area isn't primarily racial, but classist. Most if not all of the people in my neighborhood are white collar professionals -- engineers, lawyers, doctors. There are concentrated ethnic enclaves in the area like…

When there are elections in the Vancouver area, you see people of all backgrounds and colors running for office. The same is decidedly not true in the US. How many election posters have you seen where the candidate is wearing a turban, or has a name that's difficult to pronounce for "native" Americans?

I've seen plenty of Chinese, Vietnamese, and Indians on posters in the Bay Area. (US representative for my district is Mike Honda) I have not seen many Arabs or Sikhs, but that may be more a function of population percentage and profession, than racism towards these groups, which exploded mostly after 9/11.

People who run for office are usually lawyers, and there is a definite ethnic divide in professions. Moreover, immigrants usually don't come to be lawyers, since being good at law requires a mastery of the language and the nuances of the local culture, and native born citizens have a natural advantage.

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by jcampbell1 »

eloisant wrote: post #11
Xdes wrote: post #8

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I am also of the same opinion. Plus he probably doesn't want to lose his Canadian healthcare.

Congested and overpriced yes, but racist and incestuous? Why so?

I won't comment on the racist part, but by incestuous he means "lacks outside influence". That opinion is not uncommon even among people who like living inside the bubble.

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by cbaleanu »

rasur wrote: post #43
habosa wrote: post #22

For those who don't know, Tim Bray was one of the original inventors of the XML spec and has been a Developer Advocate at Google for a while. Shame to see him go, I am joining DevRel at Google in the fall and I thought it was awesome to have someone as experience as Tim working kinda-sorta-near me. Hopefully he goes on to do something great.

Implying XML is not great? ;)

Ahhh, you can write webpages in it.

Re: Leaving Google

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Post by [deleted] »

fidotron wrote: post #42
jknightco wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "consolidating in a few offices" you mean that growth in MTV, NYC, and ZRH is outpacing growth in places like Boulder, Cambridge, and Kirkland then you're correct; that doesn't mean that the smaller offices aren't growing as well, however.

Not really. If you're in one of those smaller offices you have absolutely no control of your destiny at all, and the glass ceiling is very low.

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Re: Leaving Google

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Post by dpe82 »

fidotron wrote: post #29
haberman wrote: post #26

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I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

Not sure if it means anything, but they recently signed a long-term lease for their office in Madison, WI.
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