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Re: Leaving Google

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

think about living in the weird Bay Area bubble and how that doesn't translate at all to the rest of the world and Oakland.

Oakland is no longer part of the Bay Area?

Have you been to the Bay Area? The general sentiment amongst the other cities is that Oakland is decidedly "not one of us".

Re: Leaving Google

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For those who don't know, Tim Bray was one of the original inventors of the XML spec and has been a Developer Advocate at Google for a while.

Shame to see him go, I am joining DevRel at Google in the fall and I thought it was awesome to have someone as experience as Tim working kinda-sorta-near me. Hopefully he goes on to do something great.

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So my first response was who the $^!% is Tim Bray? Then I read. TLDR: famous enough to merit an article about his departure but not famous enough for Google to give an inch to retain him (see Hinton, Geoffrey for a counterexample). No surprises here. Google is setting the stage for its own disruption. But that event is a total black swan much like paying $16B for a messaging company.

Co-authoring the XML spec probably didn't make him a household word, but I knew who he was from that.

People choose "quality-of-life" over "job" all the time, especially when you remove the need to make money from the equation.

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post #20
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So my first response was who the $^!% is Tim Bray? Then I read. TLDR: famous enough to merit an article about his departure but not famous enough for Google to give an inch to retain him (see Hinton, Geoffrey for a counterexample). No surprises here. Google is setting the stage for its own disruption. But that event is a total black swan much like paying $16B for a messaging company.

> famous enough to merit an article about his departure but not famous enough for Google to give an inch to retain him I do not work at Google, but I suspect there is a bit more involved in these decisions.

I have friends at Google at remote offices who are experiencing increasing pressure to move to Silicon Valley (which the cost of living rules out) as they consolidate distributed teams. Add in Google's disdain for telecommuting that I experienced myself during my stint there and their rope cutting here does not surprise me.

Sure, Google's culture favors the young. But their futurist agenda is being driven by Ray Kurzweil and Geoffrey Hinton, both old fogies by Silicon Valley standards.

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post #2

So my first response was who the $^!% is Tim Bray? Then I read. TLDR: famous enough to merit an article about his departure but not famous enough for Google to give an inch to retain him (see Hinton, Geoffrey for a counterexample). No surprises here. Google is setting the stage for its own disruption. But that event is a total black swan much like paying $16B for a messaging company.

Co-authoring the XML spec probably didn't make him a household word, but I knew who he was from that. People choose "quality-of-life" over "job" all the time, especially when you remove the need to make money from the equation.

I think he made the right call. It's hard for me to imagine him having trouble finding work with 4 years of Google on his resume. That's the tech industry equivalent of being a made man IMO.

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post #5

"Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced." I like this guy.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Re: Leaving Google

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post #5

"Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced." I like this guy.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Besides, Seattle weather and landscape are a lot like Vancouver (and lot less expensive).

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Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced. Isn't Vancouver equally overpriced or worse? It's a beautiful city and seems like an amazing place to live, but I thought Vancouver's house prices were into the millions as well. In what way is the Bay Area racist? I'm not a fan of that region, but I've never had that particular impression (except among upper-tier VCs, who aren't specifically rac…

Yes, Vancouver housing is incredibly overpriced. Perhaps more-so than the Bay Area because wages have kept up even less (supposedly due to Vancouver's desirability as a destination). That doesn't mean there aren't good, well-paying jobs there, but on average, wages in Vancouver are much lower than, say Toronto. As for the racism aspect, I think the choice of word is a bit hyperbolic. That being said, as a Canadian wh…

Can you give a particular example?

I live in the South Bay/Santa Clara and my neighborhood is a diverse collection of Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Europeans immigrants, and African Americans. SV segregation in my area isn't primarily racial, but classist. Most if not all of the people in my neighborhood are white collar professionals -- engineers, lawyers, doctors.

There are concentrated ethnic enclaves in the area like Cupertino, but these are primarily based on school district preferences.

Re: Leaving Google

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post #5

"Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced." I like this guy.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

Re: Leaving Google

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Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced. Isn't Vancouver equally overpriced or worse? It's a beautiful city and seems like an amazing place to live, but I thought Vancouver's house prices were into the millions as well. In what way is the Bay Area racist? I'm not a fan of that region, but I've never had that particular impression (except among upper-tier VCs, who aren't specifically rac…

To get some context on the "racist" comment, Google [bart killings]. There are multiple cases of BART transit cops shooting unarmed people of color. Also, the Oakland police department was on the verge of Federal takeover last year largely due to a series of racist-overtoned cases.

That's not really Silicon Valley specific. The entire criminal justice system in the US is racist. Just look at how "Stand Your Ground" laws are applied when African Americans are defending themselves.
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