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Re: Leaving Google

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think about living in the weird Bay Area bubble and how that doesn't translate at all to the rest of the world and Oakland.

Oakland is no longer part of the Bay Area?

The question I was answering was about incest and racism.

Re: Leaving Google

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Google not able to get remote working working? Seems flawed that a system requires everyone to move to one location to work, and a broken system that lives on from the past (why take hours of employees days commuting?). There are times when that is needed, there are other times when that is bad and external insight is easier remotely.

Yahoo and possibly Google doing this, leading to more congestion in the Bay Area, and not spreading the innovation around to other cities. Google can do better.

Maybe their next move is a Costco sized open office where everyone can sit right next to one another, no need for Hangouts.

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#33
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Oakland is no longer part of the Bay Area?

Have you been to the Bay Area? The general sentiment amongst the other cities is that Oakland is decidedly "not one of us".

I live in Oakland. It's "East Bay", but that's still "Bay Area". There's clearly differences, but much more of the bay is bordered by Oakland than SF. Oakland is more like SF than either is like Marin, which is also still "Bay Area".

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Yes, Vancouver housing is incredibly overpriced. Perhaps more-so than the Bay Area because wages have kept up even less (supposedly due to Vancouver's desirability as a destination). That doesn't mean there aren't good, well-paying jobs there, but on average, wages in Vancouver are much lower than, say Toronto. As for the racism aspect, I think the choice of word is a bit hyperbolic. That being said, as a Canadian wh…

Can you give a particular example? I live in the South Bay/Santa Clara and my neighborhood is a diverse collection of Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Europeans immigrants, and African Americans. SV segregation in my area isn't primarily racial, but classist. Most if not all of the people in my neighborhood are white collar professionals -- engineers, lawyers, doctors. There are concentrated ethnic enclaves in the area like…

When there are elections in the Vancouver area, you see people of all backgrounds and colors running for office. The same is decidedly not true in the US. How many election posters have you seen where the candidate is wearing a turban, or has a name that's difficult to pronounce for "native" Americans?

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"Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced." I like this guy.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

I suspect that moving countries becomes a significant issue when you have a family. In a weird way, Seattle's proximity and similarity might count against it - you'd have to go through a lot of hurdles just to end up in an incredibly similar situation, a short ferry ride away from where you were.

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I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

If by "consolidating in a few offices" you mean that growth in MTV, NYC, and ZRH is outpacing growth in places like Boulder, Cambridge, and Kirkland then you're correct; that doesn't mean that the smaller offices aren't growing as well, however.

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Plus I find the Bay Area congested, racist, incestuous, and overpriced. Isn't Vancouver equally overpriced or worse? It's a beautiful city and seems like an amazing place to live, but I thought Vancouver's house prices were into the millions as well. In what way is the Bay Area racist? I'm not a fan of that region, but I've never had that particular impression (except among upper-tier VCs, who aren't specifically rac…

Yes, Vancouver housing is incredibly overpriced. Perhaps more-so than the Bay Area because wages have kept up even less (supposedly due to Vancouver's desirability as a destination). That doesn't mean there aren't good, well-paying jobs there, but on average, wages in Vancouver are much lower than, say Toronto. As for the racism aspect, I think the choice of word is a bit hyperbolic. That being said, as a Canadian wh…

Greater Vancouver is at least as racially segmented as SF, perhaps more so. The major difference is the ethnic enclaves here aren't poor so it's not as disturbing. For example, Richmond is the largest Chinese city in the world outside of China. It's a relatively affluent place.

As far as housing goes, Vancouver's is among the most unaffordable in the world, along with the likes of Hong Kong (as measured by price to rent and price to income). So yes, it is indeed worse than SF. Maybe Bray isn't up on the latest from Vancouver or something.

Re: Leaving Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

Chicago and Seattle/Kirkland are still growing, however. There has been a lot of consolidation, but also to offices other than those listed.

Re: Leaving Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little sad he didn't say anything about Seattle, only a couple hours from Vancouver and with sizable and thriving Google offices. It is also has "greens and greys and unfussily variegated people" -- clearly it's not Canada, but in general it would be a much less drastic transition!

Google are really consolidating in a few offices, mainly MV, NYC, Zurich, possibly London and Tokyo. MV is a whole different ballgame to the other locations and is a world unto itself.

Seattle is still growing, expanding its office space, building new cafes, etc. I'm pretty sure Seattle (and Kirkland) are in it for the long haul.

Re: Leaving Google

#40

Google not able to get remote working working? Seems flawed that a system requires everyone to move to one location to work, and a broken system that lives on from the past (why take hours of employees days commuting?). There are times when that is needed, there are other times when that is bad and external insight is easier remotely. Yahoo and possibly Google doing this, leading to more congestion in the Bay Area, a…

The problem is not that they couldn't, but they wouldn't. Most of the large bay area companies believe that there is more value in the chit-chat and overheard conversations at the micro kitchen, than in solving the remote work problems.
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