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Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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I live in Vienna and I see these surveys all the time. I moved in Vienna 2.5 years ago. Vienna is a good place to live (otherwise I would have left) provided you don't care about things that are simply not available, for example no real IT sector, no startup scene etc. It's okay, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't understand what these people find so fascinating about the city. My friends share my opinion too. I g…

Raunzt scho wie a echter Wiener! :)

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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"Most liveable" always depends on what factors are important to you. If you average out everything I guess Vienna looks quite nice: Low income disparity, good social security system, low crime rate, etc.

But if you're a HN reader it might not be the optimal place to live for you: A population that's in general quite hostile to entrepreneurship, insane amounts of bureaucracy, laws that make it unnecessarily hard to run your own company, etc. Apart from that the weather is terrible, large parts of the population are hostile to immigration and are quite racist, people are grumpy all the time, ...

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #18

The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…

The writer James Howard Kunstler believes that the American choice of suburban-oriented development was the "greatest misallocation of resources" in history. His TED talk on the topic is worth watching.

http://www.ted.com/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_subu...

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #18

The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…

I agree with your sentiment about sprawl being toxic, but I think that time and population migration will solve the problem via urban renewal. The suburbs seem to be (If you believe the Brookings institute) on the wane as families grow smaller and can be accommodated into the tighter spaces of a city. Few of my friends have moved outwards as they've had children, and even then it tends to be those who grew up on farms, and moved to cities for technical jobs.

Brookings report: http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2013/05/28-city-g...

Related, an excerpt from Hustwit's Urbanized talking about the same issue in Brasilia: http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2012/11/05/brazillia-an...

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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On these "most livable" city indexes, I wish they would take into account how much it costs to live there compared to wages. San Fransisco is high on their list, but from what I'm hearing, it's really not the panacea that these lists often make it out to be. High wages, but higher cost of living and horrible living conditions compared to the Midwest, for example. I have a friend who just bought a two-story, four bedr…

@midwest living

I pay $450/mo for a 1000 sq ft, two bedroom townhouse apartment (turned the second bedroom into a theater). Gas is < $3/gal. My commute in peak traffic is 15 mins. Parking is free everywhere. If you can tolerate living in a < 100K population city, Midwest is extremely livable:

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #18

The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…

Density is returning to American cities, seemingly because the roads could not keep up with what they promised. Houston has typically been a perfect example of urban sprawl, but as of late it has been rapidly getting denser and land values are skyrocketing the closer you are to these areas.

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #23
post #18

The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It's affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don't really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on. I'm very encouraged by recent,…

The writer James Howard Kunstler believes that the American choice of suburban-oriented development was the "greatest misallocation of resources" in history. His TED talk on the topic is worth watching. http://www.ted.com/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_subu...

"...that we threw in the garbage after WW2..."

I think this is a very salient point. I'm glad to see him focus on terrible urban design as well.

Pre-WW2 public spaces and areas are beautiful wonderful places that people spend significant fractions of their yearly income and travel across the planet just to spend a few days in.

The world really would be a better place if we followed what he's advocating here. I'm so heartened to see many new urban projects following this exact plan. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/tysons/

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the good thing about vienna (or maybe austria) is that it's the biggests city in austria. if something interesting is going on in austria, most often it's happening in vienna. (culturally, jobwise, universitywise,...). so austria is very centered around vienna in my experience.

Also, it used to be part of a much larger country, wasn't it (Austria+Hungary)? I've been there only many years ago, but somehow I had the impression of a slightly multicultural air about it.

That would be the Austro-Hungarian empire. Used to be a pretty big deal...

Re: Vienna again named world's most liveable city

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post #11

I live in Vienna and I see these surveys all the time. I moved in Vienna 2.5 years ago. Vienna is a good place to live (otherwise I would have left) provided you don't care about things that are simply not available, for example no real IT sector, no startup scene etc. It's okay, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't understand what these people find so fascinating about the city. My friends share my opinion too. I g…

>Of course these things are subjective things, but because they are subjective things they have no place in such an article.

Liveability seems rather subjective to begin with, but if you poll enough people you'll converge upon a widely shared view. Doesn't make it right, or make your views wrong, just means that most people are more predisposed to a certain opinion: Vienna is a highly livable city. I know I quite liked it when I've visited family there, and would actually be interested in living there if I had appropriate work.

I personally would find a city with good beer and cheese selection to be more liveable than one with out, but that wouldn't be the only factor. Personally I think the best beer is in California, though.

A startup scene also can be considered a negative by many, if you look at the SF protests vs. techies lately. (The animosity was small when I lived there, but seemingly has grown over the years.)

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