Why not just demand that the NSA to be disbanded?
I mean... does anyone have any evidence to indicate that we need it?
Today is The Day We Fight Back
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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#262All of the people who built the site and the banner are volunteers who met on HN across various threads, and not members of any of the advocacy orgs or companies listed on the site. We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better, and happy to discuss some of the decisions we made. The non-profits involved did all the legal and organization lifting, and this is a great opportunity to…
> We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better I'd recommend addressing the actual problem , which the all-encompassing surveillance is a symptom of. The actual problem is that there is a government in place. For more information, look up Stefan Molyneux, Larken Rose, Michael Huemer, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, etc.
Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government. Naked mole rats have government. Wolves and caribou have government.
It's not up to us. All we can do is decide what structure the government will take.
Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better I'd recommend addressing the actual problem , which the all-encompassing surveillance is a symptom of. The actual problem is that there is a government in place. For more information, look up Stefan Molyneux, Larken Rose, Michael Huemer, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, etc.
Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government. Naked mole rats have government. Wolves and caribou have government. It's not up to us. All we can do is decide what structure the government will take.
> Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government.
Wow. At least you're being original :p
> All we can do is decide what structure the government will take.
Actually, as long as we have rulers, we can't even do that. You may be aware of the US quickly turning into a nasty police state. Do you think the people being "governed" had a say in that?
The only possible solution is to have no rulers.
Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government. Naked mole rats have government. Wolves and caribou have government. It's not up to us. All we can do is decide what structure the government will take.
> Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government. Wow. At least you're being original :p > All we can do is decide what structure the government will take. Actually, as long as we have rulers, we can't even do that. You may be aware of the US quickly turning into a nasty police state. Do you think the people being "governed" had a say in that…
Saying "let's get rid of rulers" is like saying "let's get rid of the ends of a piece of string." It's a logical impossibility. All you can do is replace rulers.
Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Government exists for all animals. It is an immutable fact of the universe. Ants have government. Termites have government. Wow. At least you're being original :p > All we can do is decide what structure the government will take. Actually, as long as we have rulers, we can't even do that. You may be aware of the US quickly turning into a nasty police state. Do you think the people being "governed" had a say in that…
Saying "let's get rid of rulers" is like saying "let's get rid of the ends of a piece of string." It's a logical impossibility. All you can do is replace rulers.
All it takes is for the belief in political authority to dispel. Unfortunately, that's a massive change from where we are today.
Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#266Can we be a little more digitally violent in our protest? For example, crowdsourced black hat hacking bad links to any companies funding NSA loving politicians?
To your call for violence, I make a similar call: let's make sure we don't and instead adopt a more visible but equally peaceful approach.
so passive. :/
Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying "let's get rid of rulers" is like saying "let's get rid of the ends of a piece of string." It's a logical impossibility. All you can do is replace rulers.
All it takes is for the belief in political authority to dispel. Unfortunately, that's a massive change from where we are today.
And how does massive social change come about? Via organized campaigns. Which have leaders. Who become the new rulers if they succeed.
In the last century the Chinese and Russians collectively agreed to give up concepts of property and privilege for the betterment of all. Except, some of them only pretended to do that. So they ended up with everyone else's property and privilege.
It's not hard to convince every single person that they should not be ruled. It's impossible to convince every single person that they should not rule. There's always someone who thinks they could do it better if they were in charge.