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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by whatevsbro »

sinak wrote: post #25

All of the people who built the site and the banner are volunteers who met on HN across various threads, and not members of any of the advocacy orgs or companies listed on the site. We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better, and happy to discuss some of the decisions we made. The non-profits involved did all the legal and organization lifting, and this is a great opportunity to…

> We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better

I'd recommend addressing the actual problem, which the all-encompassing surveillance is a symptom of. The actual problem is that there is a government in place. For more information, look up Stefan Molyneux, Larken Rose, Michael Huemer, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, etc.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by exclipy »

The privacy policy link (international version) points to a page written in Serbian. For a campaign all about privacy, really surprised about this. Sorry, I can't give you my name and email if I can't read your privacy policy.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by drdaeman »

super_mario wrote: post #52

So the suggestion here is to "fight back" by asking politely the people who are abusing you to please stop.

Well... We should tell TLAs to stop spying (we already did, long time ago, with obvious results). We should make such activity illegal (it is what's happening), because a big part of problem is secrecy and legal consequences leading to inability to tell anyone they're being spied upon.

But, indeed, sole laws are not proper security measure. And for some reason I don't see calls for any technical measures to make mass surveillance costly (and strongly believe it's necessary). We have locks and safes for a reason.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by dutchbrit »

I really like the banner, although, in all honesty, I don't think this will have any effect on spying. I truly believe that the NSA cannot be stopped by words alone. People lie all the time. The only thing I think words can do in situations like this is drive it more underground, and make the NSA lie that everything is back to normal...

Presidents lie. Politicians lie.

Now, if every American refuses to work 1 day, and all head to the NSA's office, datacenter (and actually destroy the thing), that'd really mean taking matters into our own hands (extreme scenario, I know). The NSA knew people wouldn't like this, but they did it anyway, because nobody knew. We will never truly have 100% transparency what the NSA is doing. People can no longer trust them. Period.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by mikegriff »

eliasmacpherson wrote: post #58
mikegriff wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good little installation document. I'm going to give that a go with a raspberry pi when I get home. How up to date are the instructions?

It's not little - it's quite comprehensive. Excellent job done. It's explained quite well in a very enjoyable writing style. I think anyone who knows enough to add a banner to a webpage can work their way through the document. It's a good idea to promote it as an alternative because from the outside at least, it seems freedombox has lost momentum since the privoxy release, even though the idea is sound.

I didn't mean to belittle it all, I'm well impressed with it. Nicely explained for the most part and I saw afterwards that it's up on github too so it's easy to send in corrections for it.

I had to look up Friendica and Movim to see what they were (I'd never heard of them before), it'd be nice to have links to the respective homepages, so off I'll go and add them in.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by mrweasel »

Yuioup wrote: post #62

Why do I have a feeling that this is like changing your Facebook picture because you think it might make a difference?

I get the same feeling.

From the website: Governments worldwide need to know that mass surveillance, like that conducted by the NSA, is always a violation of our inalienable human rights.

Sorry, but the governments of the world already know this. Obama, Merkel, Hollande, Cameron or Putin isn't going to stand up proclaim: "I'm sorry, we didn't know".

It's not that we shouldn't do anything, nor do I have the answer as to what we're suppose to do, but this, "The Day We Fight Back", is pointless. Changing your Twitter icon to green didn't stop the war in Libya, the Internet "Blackout" is already forgotten and just pissed people of, it didn't encouraged anyone to resolve or change anything.

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