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Necessary link to Pr. Duane's lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc Don't talk to the police. Ever.

Don't pay taxes in places the cops are mostly criminals. Ever.

Thank you - this is the only practical solution. Emigration is maybe the only practical and morally viable option.

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As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

Cops are in a weird place. People don't like them until they need them. I work with a lot of cops and most of them are good (and yes they can occasionally get overreaching) but that generalization widens the divide between on-duty police officers and civilians. I would say if we treated them like I get treated being part time Military (hand shaken, dinners, etc) that they will be better people. You'll also see less o…

Hero worship is not the answer and may actually contribute to the problem. The solution is basic accountability ie police do not investigate themselves and a change of culture from "war on crime" to community policing. As someone else commented here, the police training actually turns well meaning future officers against the average citizen. An example re: accountability is the California city that significantly reduced complaints by requiring officers to wear cameras. Small sample size but encouraging.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-ca...

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Really? Who has pleasant experiences with cops besides other cops? Honest question.

I've certainly had enough negative interactions to make me very wary, but I also remember some positive ones. Off the top of my head: * An incident where I was driving and spun across a lane of traffic and off the road in a heavy snowstorm, very fortunately hitting nothing but a reflector post in the process. A highway patrolman stopped, checked to make sure no one was injured, congratulated us on being lucky, and en…

I don't really get this. It's nice that many police officers do what they get paid to do, but what about the three bad examples you cite, which were probably abuses of power?

You cited five pleasant events, two where you were suspected of doing something wrong and three which are abuses of power. A considerable amount of your interactions with the police were abusive. So clearly there is a big, systemic problem ehre.

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Why hire a lawyer for a traffic ticket? Would that not cost more and kind of be a waste of time for everyone.

Some people have it has a hobby. I know a guy who on principle never pays a parking or traffic ticket without dragging the whole thing through court for as long as he can. For him the time and money involved are immaterial when compared to the principal of the matter.

In Croatia you now get a 50% discount if you pay the ticket on the spot.

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> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

Do you people really think there is an epidemic of people being thrown in solitary confinement for calling 911 to report accidents? REALLY? What the fuck is going on here? Is one of my office mates pranking me with a man-in-the-middle attack and then trolling me hard? Or are there really that many retards on this forum?

HN commentators are smart, but they are not above the effects of the limbic system, unfortunately.

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A jury of your peers...

Who'll be able to tell how? Their word over yours? And if you're black and your "peers" are 80% middle class whites?

And that's the problem. The police officers know they'll probably get away with it. Until there is a fair process things like this will not change. The hard part is figuring out what's a fair process.

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"Consider wearing a video camera at all times. It has been shown that when police wear cameras and are aware of being filmed, it moderates their behavior. As self reports of the need to use force decrease, so do complaints."

This. I'm certain that this is our collective future where every interaction is recorded by civilians and law enforcement alike. The jury is still out as to whether or not this is a good thing in the long run.

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Couple of words:

This is only the tip of the ice-berg n if us, the people, keep acting like sheep and never question "authority (whatever that word means anyway), they will have their way with a very nice fascist-like nanny/police state...

Nothing to see here people, just abuse of power which we will call "normal procedure". Nothing to see here, carry on with your dreadful lives...

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Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

This is an outrageous abuse of power by the cops, and shows the damage that one bad cop can do. Imagine if you didn't have any backing or support.

This also suggests the importance of bit ever talking back to police. I know of situations in Chicago where acquaintances were beaten up by police for disrespecting them.

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Police solidarity, and labor unions, for the win!

What professional or semi-professional group doesn't close ranks? From politicians to doctors to plumbers, I can't think of any group where outing a bad apple is the norm.

This is actually quite amazing insight.

The ironic bit, that each group will tell how other group is bad by doing exactly the same misconduct.

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