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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

It's not the same thing as not having laws. That's like saying that a competitive market for food is the same thing as having no food.

a war of all against all is not law.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Thanks! I'm sure Google gets like a million of these a day. I'm probably in some queue somewhere.... and I've never dated a white girl. ;-)

Also take a look at this: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802268 It seems like you should be able to just delete the comment and block that asshole. If you've tried that and it doesn't work, I'll escalate.

http://i.imgur.com/zIWLiyr.png

For some reason, I'm only allowed to report it. =/

EDIT: I was able to block the user, but the comment remains it seems.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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How is he being an asshole? He is exactly right. Watching Bitcoin from a detached and neutral position is absolutely pure entertainment. "Hey y'all, let's make a web page for transferring money and drugs!" "But I'm not very good at programming." "No worries, there's CRYPTO!!!!!" "Oh excellent, we'll sure screw over our oppressive government now! Down with the rule of law!!" "Uh boss, someone just untraceably and anon…

Well, he might be right here and there, but he's still being an assohle, and it's not the first time we see him acting as one (I'd wager it's his most recognizable trait). Being right and/or smart and/or recognized doesn't, and shouldn't, give one an excuse to be a dick.

I don't think he's being an asshole, he just has the gift of being able to phrase his opinion in a way that makes people that disagree with him feel really bad.

It's not being an asshole to tell someone they're being stupid when they do something stupid. These guys just lost several million dollars via their illicit drug-trading website. They don't need a pat on the back from zedshaw.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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"Laws" and "law enforcement" are just products, similar to any other service. If you can imagine what a civilization without a monopoly on food production, or house cleaning services, or medical services would look like, you should be able to imagine with a civilization without a monopoly on laws and law enforcement would look like. Most people believe that monopolies are not economically efficient for producing "ord…

Law enforcement is ultimately a license to use violence. Having multiple coalitions or companies selling violence as a product seems like a recipe for a truly nightmarish society.

In that case it sounds like the cyberpunk future, where a corporations security force is really just an army in disguise.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

> most hilarious thing...Bwahahahaa!...massive hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. Amazing.

This insulting style of persuasion has been shown to backfire. Here's a study on this effect - Negative Persuasion Via Personal Insult: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/00221031679...

An individual directly insulted by a communicator attempting to persuade him will show a “boomerang effect” by increasing the extremity of his initial attitude position

You might be correct, but you're increasing the libertarianism in the world, not decreasing it.

People ought to step back from their beliefs about whether they right, and instead argue in such a way that, whether they are right or not, they advance the state of knowledge. Insults and ridicule don't do this! Insults can change people's beliefs, but usually in the opposite way we intend, and only by inflaming emotion, not based on any evidence about the world, so they're a tool wielded with equal efficacy by both the correct and the mistaken.

Creationists, racists, and all the others we know to be wrong can all belittle and insult their opponents too. Only by sticking to the best kinds of disagreement (http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html) can we make progress, because people whose beliefs are wrong can only make flawed arguments. Those who are correct already hold the advantageous ground, so fight there, not in the quagmire of flamewars!

More generally, people aren't usually especially at fault for being wrong, so they don't deserve insults. I must be wrong about some percentage of my beliefs, as must you. Any libertarian is likely to be right about something that you and I are wrong about.

This HN article didn't need to be a flamewar about libertarianism. Even if you're right, you're opponents will likely respond with a similar tone, and you don't need libertarians belittling you about your views on economics or whatever. It won't change your mind, just as your insults don't change theirs.

If a libertarian is to doubt his libertarian ways, it'll be through the same way we might ever be persuaded about something. First, probably, we'll learn that someone we like and respect holds the view, and we'll realize it's a position that reasonable people can hold, not just idiots or bigots or sociopaths. Then we'll learn there's nuances that we'd not encountered before - maybe we'd only heard strawman versions of its arguments before. Then we'll shift slightly such that it seems like it applies in some limited situations. And so on, and maybe we'll hold a new belief after that.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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First off, only my mother gets to tell me to "watch my tone". Random jackoffs online can go fuck themselves if they think they've earned my respect by default, especially if those same jackoffs use political rhetoric to harm and steal from others. My tone is simply a reaction to the tone of arrogance and superiority most objectivists and commenters take. If you don't want to be ridiculed, then don't write like a arro…

redthrowaway's comment: > You can make the same argument without being an ass about it. Your reply: > It's funny how me pointing out the stupidity and bullshit of a group of criminals makes me an asshole... You completely missed their point, how you can't see that is beyond me.

Careful, now. It looks like you're saying that calling something stupid bullshit is being an asshole. Some of us happen to believe that stupid bullshit is a real thing and that there are circumstances where calling something stupid bullshit may be entirely fair and justified.

Try defending against the accusation itself instead of taking the stance that the accusation is always automatically invalid.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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We're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard libertarians, not classical libertarianism.

What is "classical libertarianism"? Google doesn't seem to know either.

I guess just what libertarianism was from Belsham into the 20th century, before the influence of Rand and Rothbard.

The comment was in response to a statement saying that Rand spoke against libertarianism, which was true.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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> Even the most staunch of minarchists wouldn't generally repeal the 'base' laws, which are those laws that, if violated, infringe upon the rights of others. Libertarians do not, for example, suggest that murder should be legal -- everyone has the right to life. The set of laws is not really the problem then. Literally everyone agrees that "government should be as small as possible", the problem is that no one ever a…

I don't necessarily disagree. It wasn't an attempt to assert that libertarianism is or isn't great, just that if Zed genuinely thinks that most libertarians don't consider 'theft' a crime, then he is badly mistaken. How close or far away Libertarianism is from more statist methodologies is outside the scope of the point I was trying to make, but if I were making a point, it's that yes, they are closer together than h…

'crime' is not equivalent to 'cause for revenge through the security agency of your choice'.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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I think what he's trying to say that it's far less likely for a libertarian "legalize drugs" type of person to screw a bunch of people over. Like, when you facilitate selling drugs, there is no victim. Hell, you probably prevented having a victim. When you facilitate selling weapons/assassinations/child porn, there is a victim. The latter type of person would be more likely to victimize his/her customers than the for…

> Like, when you facilitate selling drugs, there is no victim. Ah, I'm pretty sure only libertarians feel this way...

Hell no!

I'm far from libertarian but the drug laws are a travesty and selling restricted substances is pretty much the definition of a victimless 'crime'.

The myth of the first-hit-is-free, sell-at-the-school-gates 'pusher' is mostly just that, a myth. If you buy drugs you are not a victim. You may have problems and I believe that we should make government assistance available for those that do. However right now the state and its laws criminalise whole swathes of society for no good reason - there is no victim.

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