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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by objclxt » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:55 PM UTC

npcc wrote: post #129

Okay, I'm going to go out on a branch and throw up a strange hypothesis. I don't have any stake in the Bitcoin or drug dealing games, apart from generalized anarchistic tendancy: Silk Road 2 was a project set-up by some government agency or gangsters. The overall plan is to eliminate competition and sow uncertainty around both Bitcoin and Silk Road type unregulated markets with anonymous owners. The "transaction mall…

> Alternatively, I'd also love to hear good arguments against this position

Oh, I'll bite:

If you have the choice between conspiracy and incompetence the latter is almost always the more likely.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by banachtarski » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:55 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #173

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

This guy is an asshole. Just move along guys nothing to see here.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by nbody » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:56 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #173

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

Your comment seems more appropriate for YouTube than HN.

Anyway, I guess the point is that Libertarianism has some different views but the main takeaway is about having more choices and a more lightweight state.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:57 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #173

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by baddox » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:57 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #173

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

It's not the same thing as not having laws. That's like saying that a competitive market for food is the same thing as having no food.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by baddox » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:58 PM UTC

redthrowaway wrote: post #228

zedshaw wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

>Ahahahahaah!... You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here. You can make the same argument without being an ass about it.

Probably not, because it's not a very good argument.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by iguana » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:58 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #173

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

zedshaw being an asshole. I'm shocked, shocked!

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by baddox » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:59 PM UTC

ewoodrich wrote: post #177

tolmasky wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

So if some group decided I was a criminal by their standards (say if I insulted them on the street, or something), they could come to my home in the night and summarily execute me?

Right now, there is one group that can decide you are a criminal by their standards. It's a group that you have virtually no control over, and it's funded via force.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by unclebucknasty » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:59 PM UTC

foxhill wrote: post #172

zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

this is seriously the most hilarious response to a hacker news thread i have seen in a long time. it's got it all; > Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians wild conjecture? you bet. > who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest please, tell me, what else do they think? perhaps next you can tell me what i think, i'd love to hear it. > We need the gov…

I won't wade into all of the waters here. Not even sure what my opinion is at this point. But, I do have a question:

If these guys decide to band together to exact some form of "justice" against the thieves, then isn't that a form of "government"? Aren't they making a kind of de facto law?

More generally, there seems to be some sort of "code" that evolves out of any given community. And, if everyone agrees on acceptable conduct or behavior in order to participate in the community, then how is that different from, say, a democratic government? Here, of course, I'm speaking of an actual democratic government, not what we currently have in the U.S.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by Kequc » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:59 PM UTC

redthrowaway wrote: post #228

zedshaw wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

>Ahahahahaah!... You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here. You can make the same argument without being an ass about it.

I dunno man. I agree with you on that, of course you're right. But, people have limits not everyone wants to talk at length to a libertarian so mockery is employed.