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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by Zancarius »

javajosh wrote: post #198
josh2600 wrote: post #88

I know Peretz personally and he's one of the most rational people I've ever met. There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there, but what happened afterwards is unquestionably wrong. This is who the police stripped naked and put in jail: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie... This is not a person we should fear. I und…

The police cannot be trusted, and that is not childish nonsense. It is a rational response to the fact that the police consistently act like thugs, and the problem is only getting worse. One of the most important problems is that the mechanisms for righting these wrongs are almost wholly ineffective or out-of-reach. Peretz talks a little about that in his piece. The most practical thing you can take away from this is…

> Reform will take years, and in that time you are at risk. Reform is a great sentiment...

Not to sound overly pessimistic, but "reform" isn't usually how citizens extricate themselves from a police state. Totalitarian governance is inherently insular and well protected from peaceful reform, using the state monopoly on violence to maintain and cultivate its will.

The antithesis of peaceful reform also conveniently starts with "re," but I can't seem to remember what it is... Re... rev-o-something, I think. ;)

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by nkurz »

williamcotton wrote: post #79

> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

All of this is some sort of thinly veiled attack on our public servants and what seems to be public government infrastructure in general.

Why would you think he's kidding? I don't see a veiled attack: I see desperation. He (and others in this thread) believe that you are putting yourself into greater risk by calling 911 than by solving the situation any other way you can.

I don't share their opinion, but I would think deeply before dismissing the sincerely expressed belief of those who feel the emergency response system in the US so broken that you are better of trying to make your own way to medical care rather than taking a chance on calling 911.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by petercooper »

williamcotton wrote: post #79

> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

If you see someone injured, CALL 911!

Agreed. But then get away from the scene ASAP once anyone officious turns up.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by baddox »

x0054 wrote: post #231
baddox wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all know what would happen. The government would side with the government.

You have to at east try. Most good lawyers will take this case on a contingency. Otherwise these cops will just get away with it yet again. Also, I wish this case would be picked up by the news. If anyone knows a reporter, send this to them. This needs to be public.

If you have the funds and time to try, by all means try. Most people don't.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by jessaustin »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #205
jessaustin wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I answer, will you explain why you've commented 25 times on this thread?

Because I had twenty-five responses to give, and many of the posts I've responded to were directed (if only implicitly) at me. It would be rude of me to ignore such intelligent discussion. Quid pro quo.

A: I'm not mentally ill.

Since I've submitted to your analysis, a turn about is fair play. I think you are a cop. You'd like to think you are good, which is understandable, because most people would like to think that. You realize that you are judged, often unfairly, by various parties. You find yourself valuing the judgment of fellow officers most, but occasionally you are surprised and disappointed by the opinion of the general public. They just don't understand your situation, they don't appreciate your efforts, and besides they don't know how the system works. Still, it hurts.

At the same time, you are genuinely uncomfortable about some of the things you have done and seen being done. You don't blame the police; it's the fucked-up system and the dirtbags they have to deal with. So far you've toed the line, although you imagine there are some things that would cause you to break ranks. Every year, though, those things recede. Sometimes you wonder what you'll find yourself stomaching a decade from now. Maybe you'll switch to just working security. Got to get that pension first, though.

Forget it, you're probably a law student or something. Still, that was fun.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by corresation »

baddox wrote: post #176
corresation wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thing .

What attribute of Reddit are you talking about? Is it that people here accuse other people of acting like members from some other website, rather than actually confronting their arguments?

Despite your insincerity, for those who actually care the negative trait I was talking about is sophistry: The collapsing of complex situations with many players and perspectives into single-dimensional, black and white, clear-cut projections that everyone can circle around and beat with their strawman beating sticks, all while acting enlightened. This whole thread is absolutely crowded with such positions.

I love Reddit, but outside of certain subs it is not a productive place to discuss complex situations as the crowd naturally wants the story simplified. So you end up with a day 1 version where one actor is clearly the aggrieved party, the other pure villain, and everyone runs out to send nasty emails and to fill voiceboxes with nasty messages. On day 2 a new piece of information comes out that demonstrates that the story was't as stated, and some new situations completely upset who the good guy and the bad guy is. The pitchfork mob goes in the opposite direction. It is useless and destructive, and became such a problem that a number of anti pitchfork rules had to be imposed.

In this case the post I replied to outrageously declared that the only good cop is a dead cop, which is incredibly offensive if you actually have friends who are in law enforcement. And even if you don't, it should be offensive to virtually anyone in a lawful society who relies upon those people more than many of you care to admit.

Add that there is some hilarious irony in a board primarily dominated by the unfit and privileged supporting such notions. I can understand the sentiment in some poverty city inner-city neighbourhood (heck, I grew up in poverty and was surrounded by the "pig" attitude), even if it is often self-defeating, but it is to the point of parody on HN.

"I heard a story about some cop two thousand miles away who did {x}. See, they're all terrible!"

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by kybernetyk »

bsimpson wrote: post #222
owenjones wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I was a student living in a "gentrifying" part of the city, I once went outside to discover my car was full of bullets. Several in the hood, several through the windows, one in the rear tire and most disconcertingly one in the driver side headrest. When I called the police and the investigator came, I could tell I was instantly suspect #1. He began grilling me lengthily about my whereabouts the night before and…

Where were you last night? Shooting holes in my own car so I could waste 20 minutes of your time. Why do you ask?

Wrong answer. Never try sarcasm or irony with cops. Either they don't understand it - or they just don't want to. All it does is getting you into trouble.
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