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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #137
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says that they don't? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops? As typical of somebody posting a throwaway comment to an online forum, I'm not sure that you've taken everything into account when you make such a broad statement.

I've quite thoroughly considered it. The police are a civil service given power and authority by the public. That power is turned around to abuse the public. Now, to whom does a private condemnation best serve? Hint: It's not the abused or oppressed.

Condemnation that you aren't aware of != private condemnation. It seems pretty damn arrogant to imply that something doesn't exist because you aren't aware of it.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by tptacek »

mindslight wrote: post #3

OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. Every cop involved in this situation should be spending years in prison for battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, and torture. Until justice for victims of the police becomes routine, they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop.

the only good cop is a dead cop.

This sentiment is a wish for things to get worse for everyone, in every way. It's lazy, cowardly, and beneath HN.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by nullc »

buckbova wrote: post #8

> I begged them to watch out for my recently broken right elbow. They don't give a shit about your elbow nor should they. Everyone who gets put in cuffs complains about some current or former injury. I'm not sure I buy every second of your recount. but there is a big difference between a good samaritan and a do-gooder. If the cops tell you it is time to leave the scene, it's 1 AM on a city street, you've been drinkin…

> The nice guys don't last out there

Because San Francisco is a war zone? Give me a break.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by buckbova »

whiskeychaser wrote: post #116
buckbova wrote: post #8

> I begged them to watch out for my recently broken right elbow. They don't give a shit about your elbow nor should they. Everyone who gets put in cuffs complains about some current or former injury. I'm not sure I buy every second of your recount. but there is a big difference between a good samaritan and a do-gooder. If the cops tell you it is time to leave the scene, it's 1 AM on a city street, you've been drinkin…

nice try officer

I've started off in worse situations than the OP.

Apologize but not profusely. Then, shut up. Acknowledge the officer's authority, show some respect, and do as your told. Do it whether they deserve it or not. It's about making it home safely, not about being right.

If you want to be an activist or some kind of martyr for all those abused by cops then do so. Afterwards file a lawsuit for unlawful detainment, excessive force or whatever.

I prefer to stay out of it.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by [deleted] »

pessimizer wrote: post #148
yardie wrote: post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by baddox »

corresation wrote: post #52
mindslight wrote: post #3

OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. Every cop involved in this situation should be spending years in prison for battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, and torture. Until justice for victims of the police becomes routine, they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop.

they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thing .

What attribute of Reddit are you talking about? Is it that people here accuse other people of acting like members from some other website, rather than actually confronting their arguments?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by nutate »

yardie wrote: post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a white person thrown into psychiatric solitary a couple times, I'd say that he got pretty cushy treatment compared to what black folks get. No trial, out in 12 hours? Try that if you're black.

Sounds crazy, but considering how many questions he was asking the officers after they'd cuffed him he got off quite easy. I wonder if my friends that went to UCSF around the same time as him knew him. I know a lot of folks like him, but they don't know much standard "know your rights" type stuff that teaches you to do nothing, say nothing once you are cuffed.

Unless you are making them laugh, you're probably on their bad side.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by mindslight »

Guvante wrote: post #113
mindslight wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If police forces were organizations of justice, they would compensate victims of false imprisonment as a matter of course. Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. This way, they wouldn't be able to shuffle the damages from their run-roughshod approach onto innocent people. But instead, they do everything they can to stick with and make-proper t…

> Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. There are a lot of people who would instigate an officer for that kind of money. Besides, having served on a Jury, I know what they think my time is worth. Getting a check for $200 (a more realistic number) would be an insult after getting stuck overnight in a jail cell. > But instead, they do everythin…

> Getting a check for $200 ... would be an insult

This amount wouldn't meet what I said, as they'd still clearly be externalizing the collateral damage from their approach (just like the jury theatre, as you point out).

> If he hadn't made a ruckus they wouldn't have put him there

Which stemmed from them denying him access to medical care, outside communication, and due process. I covered this under "pettily punish those who don't just submit and take it".

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by baddox »

vacri wrote: post #162
frandroid wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you eat apples from a bag if there was a chance that 50% of them were poisonous? 25%? 10%? 1%?

There are other bags of food. There aren't other police forces. If the only food you had for the next, say, term of office was that bag of apples, you'd be tucking into it in short order rather than starve. And to be a pedant, green/unripe apples are poisonous. They make you feel unwell; they just don't maim or kill you. Plenty of people would tuck into a bag of apples where some of them were still not yet ripe.

> There aren't other police forces.

That's the problem, combined with the fact that police forces are funded by force rather than by providing a service that people are willing to pay for.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by fr0sty »

williamcotton wrote: post #79

> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

Even with "gold level" insurance a ride in an ambulance is $$$$. If your injury is not life threatening taking alternate transport to the Emergency Room is perfectly acceptable.
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