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> Wow, I didn't realise US police were that bad. You didn't? Stories about attrocious behaviour by US police, and the sorry state of the US prison system, not to mention the fact that the US locks up more people than any other country in the world, have received a lot of attention here and elsewhere. To me, the worst one was the prison that bribed a judge to convict more children.
So one story of the justice system going wrong in the USA means the whole system is systemically corrupt? By this thinking I hope neither of you drive a car to work every day. You'll really be afraid of the risks with that one.
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Texas is where nearly 1 out of 11 US citizens live, and there's nothing that I see about this case that's unique to Texas. You can narrow your criticism to his house or his bedroom, and exclude Texas from blame too, if it's important to be that reductive. The unavoidable fact is that what happened in Texas happened in the US. If Texas started segregating lunch counters and water fountains again, it would be legitimat…
I'm not blaming Texas or anything else. I'm saying that the commenter, said that the US was too dangerous to visit because of the justice system. I was pointing out that the US has vastly different state with vastly different systems and painting the entire US as the same is an incorrect statement. Could this have happened in Maine? Sure though it's vastly more likely to happen in Texas or other state with a higher r…
edit: I do not agree with the U.S. justice system being third world level; I just don't think the differences in states are relevant here when the average across all of them is so terrible on this particular metric.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fun fact: the USSR under Stalin and the gulag incarcerated fewer people than does the contemporary United States. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2109777...
This is simply not true! Could you please provide a quote from where you got this in the article, because there seems to be no mention of it. My grandparents were lucky enough to survive the Stalinist regime but many of our family didn't. There's no reliable numbers of how many where imprisoned by Stalin and, even worse, how many died in prison camps. For the latter, even the most conservative estimates are in the mi…
Is this hyperbole? Here are the facts. The U.S. has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens. That's not just many more than in most other developed countries but seven to 10 times as many. Japan has 63 per 100,000, Germany has 90, France has 96, South Korea has 97, and Britain--with a rate among the highest--has 153. Even developing countries that are well known for their crime problems have a third of U.S. numbers. Mexico has 208 prisoners per 100,000 citizens, and Brazil has 242. As Robertson pointed out on his TV show, The 700 Club, "We here in America make up 5% of the world's population but we make up 25% of the [world's] jailed prisoners.""
Obviously rates are more relevant than absolute numbers for policy analysis, here. But yeah, our prison population is absolutely enormous.
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#224> Until that point, his only brush with the law was a temporary restraining order two years earlier. > "He started threatening me, saying that he would kill me. ... I told the school officers, [and] they started watching him really closely. He would say that he would shoot up the school." So I'll start by playing Devil's Advocate very briefly. It's interesting how facts can be shaped with different language ("his onl…
Knowing that a snapshot of a Facebook post taken out of context can land that person in jail for months is a goldmine opportunity for some people.
This just adds to the list the other things could include: plant child porn on their machine, call the terrorist hotline with a tip, launch a flood of ssh port scans into a .mil address from their machine, and bam! easy peasy that person's life is ruined.
This is not unlike the witch hunts in repressive regimes where people are encouraged to rat on each other. Quite often that is taken advantage. It used to be report the person to be a "Communist" or "report that person to be an Anti-Communist".
Unless there is public and swift punishment for the prosecutors or the "professionals" in the chain of people this has passed through, this will repeat again and again. There is just very little incentive not to "keep going" with these tips. The potential repercussions for ignoring it could be much harsher. So why not...
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#225The purpose, in my opinion, was fairly ridiculous. I'll tell a reasonably brief version of the story.
I moved to Atlanta to attend Georgia Tech for my masters. One late night, I was driving and took a right on a red light that had a "no right on red sign" accidentally.
Don't forget to check for no right on red signs.
No traffic was around and luckily no one was endangered, but I did receive a ticket (clearly the Atl police had set up a trap of sorts). Should have paid attention, but no big deal.
So the court date is approaching, and so is my first day of classes. In the rush of getting ready for the start of the semester, I forgot my court date.
Don't forget your court date.
The next day, in a panic, I call the courthouse to pay my ticket and any applicable late fees. I assumed that a late fee would cover the infraction and we'd all be on our way.
I paid the ticket. I paid the late fee. I forgot about the incident altogether.
Fast forward a few months, I was driving on campus on my way to class, early enough to get a coffee (yes!). I get pulled over for not having my seatbelt on.
Don't forget your seatbelt.
The officer took a few minutes and came back to ask me if I had anyone who could pick up my car. Of course I'm thinking, "Do I have a flat tire or something?", and he lets me know he's going to have to arrest me and take me to jail.
So I was put in handcuffs, on campus, and taken to Fulton County Jail, where I was fully booked into a holding cell. I could not call anyone to come post bail, because your "one call" was only allowed to be a local call, and you had to know the number by heart. I couldn't post the bail myself via card, of course. So, I spent 36 hours there. My parents even paid my bail, but somehow the bail didn't take effect (even though others arrested after me got out on bail).
Strangest 36 hours of my life, by far.
All of my clothes and belongings were taken, as is protocol. Not a single guard seemed to have any sense of regard for me (or any other person being held), uniformly ignoring simple requests like "can I have some water?" and "what time is it?". I was in a common holding room with about 10 others for most of the first day, until they did our physicals and booked us all into overnight cells. I was woken up to a yelling guard at 3AM to eat "breakfast." Everyone who had been arrested the day before was chained together (as in, chains around my waist) and taken to a prison court to see a judge via a camera mounted on a TV. The judge essentially looked at my case and released me, and a few hours later I was finally let out.
Turns out, when you forget a court date, your license gets suspended. For me, that meant I had to have someone take me to Alabama to have it unsuspended.
tl;dr; The crazy part of the justice system is, once the ball gets rolling and protocol is instantiated, your lost time is chalked up to collateral damage and "due process." Your sense of safety, clarity, and rights are removed, even in minuscule clerical cases like mine. I can't even begin to imagine the ridiculous feeling of being in jail and sexually assaulted for months, much less years, over something slightly more egregious than a suspended license.
P.S. My arrest was completely expunged from my record, but you can still find my mugshot online. My dad laughs at it every time he sees it.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't be a complete Ass. The US is a a big place, really big and there are vastly different types of states and situations. Any country in the world has fucked up abuses of power, name where you live and I guarantee that an example exists. Comparing Maine (where I live, which has the lowest crime rate and rate of prisoners per 100,000 in the US) to Texas is like comparing Switzerland to Russia based on the size and p…
You're cherry picking. Maine has half the population of Chicago. More importantly, Texas is 20x the size of Maine, and represents over 8% of the population of the US.
Substitute "many European countries" for "Maine".
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly I'm cherry picking, but that's the point. It's not that Texas is inherently bad but that it's ridiculous to compare all of the US with one broad stroke. Maine and Texas and Chicago are vastly different places and the US shouldn't be painted with broad strokes.
Texas is where nearly 1 out of 11 US citizens live, and there's nothing that I see about this case that's unique to Texas. You can narrow your criticism to his house or his bedroom, and exclude Texas from blame too, if it's important to be that reductive. The unavoidable fact is that what happened in Texas happened in the US. If Texas started segregating lunch counters and water fountains again, it would be legitimat…
And what happened in the US happened in North America. And happened on Earth. And happened in the Universe. How broad should we go here?
[s]I think since the tip came from Canada, we have a pretty good case to blame Canada for this. :)[/s]