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The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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This is not an isolated case either. I don't mean facebook-comment-wise, but rather wtf-wise. From Internet, through airports and car stops to interacting with random strangers. Lot's of horrific stories where you end up in the justice system, while done absolutely nothing that breaks the law or would endanger someone in any way. But maybe because the US is so big it's bound to happen sometimes? I don't know, but USA…

America is pretty good -- don't anecdotes from the internet says deter you. We're a collection of states that each are allowed to do things more or less their own way. Texas is one of the states with serious issues surrounding illegal immigration, income, and education, but has about the same economic power as Canada.

> America is pretty good -- don't anecdotes from the internet says deter you.

It's not merely anecdotes; there's plenty of hard data. The US locks up more people in absolute numbers than any country in the world, including China, which has 4 times the population and a totalitarian government. Per capita, the only countries with more inmates are a handful of tiny Carribean islands, I believe.

Law enforcement is structurally not being held accountable. Stories about police officers killing or tazering unarmed and even disabled people abound, usually followed up by a story that nobody got charged with any wrongdoing (except maybe the victim).

In talks online, I notice that a lot of Americans are afraid of the police. Tons of websites warn not to say anything to the police. The message that the police cannot be trusted is everywhere.

This is not the image of healthy, democratic, rule of law. It's a police state.

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USA is a lovely country, too bad it's inhabited. ;-)

That's the same reason I don't want to see humans on Mars. I can't think of anything that improved with the presence of humans.

Improved for whom?

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Wow, I didn't realise US police were that bad. After reading this I don't think I could ever feel safe enough to visit the US. Sounds like you'd have a better chance of getting justice in an African dictatorship where at least the dont-rape-me bribe would be affordable. Tourists really should be warned about this, because it's not the image the US tourist boards present to us at all.

Don't be a complete Ass. The US is a a big place, really big and there are vastly different types of states and situations. Any country in the world has fucked up abuses of power, name where you live and I guarantee that an example exists. Comparing Maine (where I live, which has the lowest crime rate and rate of prisoners per 100,000 in the US) to Texas is like comparing Switzerland to Russia based on the size and population levels and distance between. Note that Texas has some great areas it's just to show that they are extremely different to other states and it's not a valid comparison to Russia.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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This is not an isolated case either. I don't mean facebook-comment-wise, but rather wtf-wise. From Internet, through airports and car stops to interacting with random strangers. Lot's of horrific stories where you end up in the justice system, while done absolutely nothing that breaks the law or would endanger someone in any way. But maybe because the US is so big it's bound to happen sometimes? I don't know, but USA…

America is pretty good -- don't anecdotes from the internet says deter you. We're a collection of states that each are allowed to do things more or less their own way. Texas is one of the states with serious issues surrounding illegal immigration, income, and education, but has about the same economic power as Canada.

It's closer to Spain; Canada is somewhere in between CA and TX. http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/300*177/adambelz_13917...

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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I'd say it depends on the occasion. For instance, when Louis C.K. says something similar while performing a comedy show, it's absolutely clear that he's not actually going to shoot up a school. It's meant to shock his audience. When you're posting these things on the internet to people you probably don't even know in person (so they have no way to know wether you're joking or not), things can get hairy quickly. I'm s…

No, it does not depend on the occasion. It depends only whether or not there seemed to be an actual intent to do something terrible. Teenagers say stupid shit all the time, sometimes just to see if they can out-shock or out-weird their friends. Especially online. The context of the conversation matters.

> Teenagers say stupid shit all the time

And sometimes they do stupid shit.

Some simple advice: don't shoot people, and don't threaten to shoot people. Threats can be very serious, and shouldn't be thrown about so casually.

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On the other hand, you are most welcome to Pakistan :) I assure you things are more sane here contrary to what you usually hear on TV.

I haven't heard good things about foreigners in north (alps) though.

things are way exaggerated. We (and almost everyone I know here in South) usually go visit the beautiful north every year or two.

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"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." I find the actions taken here infinitely more scary than facebook comment bullshit.

The average person does not make a cost-benefit analysis for things like this because that would require admitting that the question is complicated, or must result in some risk of death. Instead they silently drop the cost half of the equation by telling themselves that 0% risk of death must be possible, and rationalize away the costs of such a delusion by ignoring cases like this, or figuring that the victim must ha…

I think it's more that most people operate on the (apparently mistaken) assumption that the police are here to __protect__ us, and to find out who is guilty, while also exercising discretion and not prosecuting people who, paraphrasing the article, meant no harm but acted like an asshole. Thus, people figure that it's "better to be safe than sorry", and assume that the police and justice system will Find The Truth and sort things out.

Unfortunately, that's not the case: the job of the police seems to be to make a case, and when combined with the plea bargain system we have, it's basically a game of "how can we convict this guy".

Do I think investigation was warranted? Sure. But it definitely seems like overreaction to treat this as a valid terrorist threat, rather than a kid (or adult) saying something mean and flippant.

I also find it hard to believe that Facebook was "unable" to give details of the conversation. If the defense believes that the context (unshown in the screenshot) is important, I am surprised they can't subpoena the entire history of his actions in that timeframe, or of the threads he was posting in over that 48-hour period, and have an expert witness collect and show the context they say is so important.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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I think anyone agrees that this whole situation has been blown out of proportion on a massive scale. But threatening to shoot up a school, in the light of recent events... really? What if he actually DID shoot up a school, and afterwards people discovered that authorities WERE warned? People need to realize that what you post on the internet can be interpreted different than what you actually meant. Besides, threaten…

Rappers have collectively made countless graphic threats against people of all walks and ages, to an audience of tens of millions. It's part of the art-form. Eminem and Nicki Minaj have made explicit threats of gun violence that refer to schools. And they're jokes. For some reason they haven't been arrested for it. Context, maybe. First amendment, maybe.

What if one of them does something? Then their lyrics will be dredged and repeated on the news ad nauseam. "How did we not see it coming?" Humans are anxious monkeys. "Oh shit, words! What if there are intentions? What would we have done if he hadn't said words to let us know of his thoughts?"

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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Wow, I didn't realise US police were that bad. After reading this I don't think I could ever feel safe enough to visit the US. Sounds like you'd have a better chance of getting justice in an African dictatorship where at least the dont-rape-me bribe would be affordable. Tourists really should be warned about this, because it's not the image the US tourist boards present to us at all.

Don't be a complete Ass. The US is a a big place, really big and there are vastly different types of states and situations. Any country in the world has fucked up abuses of power, name where you live and I guarantee that an example exists. Comparing Maine (where I live, which has the lowest crime rate and rate of prisoners per 100,000 in the US) to Texas is like comparing Switzerland to Russia based on the size and p…

Maine has an epidemic of prison rape, just as Texas does. Although there are many issues where it's fair to make a distinction between different localities, this is a national problem.
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