Obama Sued by Rand Paul Over Phone Surveillance Program

Post by gnaritas » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 11:56 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #38

wutbrodo wrote: post #23

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That's a pretty _horrible_ example of the parties coalescing into a single viewpoint, since intentionally defaulting on our debts is an extremist view by any definition. That's like saying "clearly the two parties are basically the same because they both don't support nuking Russia". "Both parties agree not to act like lunatics" is a terrible example of "the parties are merging". A much less bizarre example would be…

This is not an extreme example. The alternative was conditional terms on expanding the debt limit, not defaulting on the debt. The bill passed without any additional restrictions on spending or changes to collection. The national debt is one of the biggest issues in the country right now and both parties are doing little to stop its expansion. As I said in my original comment, the fringe are the ones who are legitima…

Post by frodopwns » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:03 AM UTC

troym wrote: post #5

frodopwns wrote: post #4

More political theater from Rand Paul. If only he was as transparent to the average voter.

Would a similar suit by Pelosi also be theater to you?

Post by ekianjo » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:13 AM UTC

jdreaver wrote: post #3

Take a look at the comments section if you want to see political tribalism at its best. > I thought Bush orchestrated the Patriot Act... who knew..? > Regardless of your opinion of the surveillance, you gotta see this as a cynical political move. Bet he wouldn't sue a Republican president. Isn't good enough to disagree with Obama - a candidate has to demonstrate outrage with him to gain cred with the base. Everything…

Post by dlp211 » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:17 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #49

saraid216 wrote: post #41

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> The national debt is one of the biggest issues in the country right now I disagree with this claim. Unfortunately, it is also the claim upon which the rest of your claims are founded, so I'll have to disagree with everything else you said, too.

> I disagree with this claim. Unsupported opinions are pretty meaningless. How is it not one of the biggest issues? The national debt story has been making constant front-page of news for 3+ years now. Anyone who doesn't see the huge long-term significance of the massive debt is exhibiting significant ignorance to economics. The USA is making a serious gamble that the economy will be strong and fast-growing for the n…

Post by diminoten » Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:20 AM UTC

tanon500 wrote: post #31

diminoten wrote: post #16

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This is right vs. left. He wouldn't have done this to a Republican president, do you think he, Rand Paul, would have? Do you know much about Rand Paul? The man's entire political career is based on acting the partisan part. Like it or not, everything literally is partisan politics. No issue in the US rises above partisanship. That's the system we live in, you'll just have to accept that or attempt to change it direct…

If you have the power and opportunity to change a wrong, but do nothing, then you're as culpable as whoever caused the wrong in the first place. In this case we're proving that a wrong occurred by attempting to get retribution for the alleged wrong - whoever is targeted (be they Rep. Dem. Lib.) is inconsequential for the general public, aside from adjusting voting patterns in the future. Once the suit determines culp…