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John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ajcarpy2005 wrote: post #71
sosborn wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was never argued that 12 cans of Coke a day is healthy. It was simply argued that body weight gain/loss is governed by calories in vs calories out. These are two entirely separate statements.

Not all calories are absorbed. Also, I think it's safe to say that minerals and vitamins can contribute to structural/weight changes. Even water can.

Calories in-calories out declare the upper bound. No matter what vitamins you take, you can't make body produce more energy that it takes in, or else something in thermodynamics is seriously broken.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by joyofdata »

XYLITOL :) We use it for coffee, baking, cocktails, Sushi rice and more.

Xylitol has less intensive impact on the insulin system and does not cause a glycaemic peak as strong as you experience it with sugar.

Xylitol is also proven to directly prevent Caries.

There are numerous studies on Xylitol and its benefits - Google is your friend.

How is it possible that in a thread on sugar even after 146 comments nobody mentions Xylitol?

BTW ... Xylitol is for me not a sugar-subtitute because it tastes better than sugar.

In case you live in Germany or EU and you need a realiably source - www.xucker.de. No I am not affiliated with them.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by 72deluxe »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #20
pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

Doughnuts, one of my favorite foods, can be part of a healthy diet Can they?

I didn't think he was advocating eating only doughnuts. Doughnuts are great, unless you eat nothing but doughnuts, in which case the diet is not particularly balanced, nor is it healthy.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by 72deluxe »

gnusouth wrote: post #84
ynniv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Week old accounts with no prior comments shouldn't be allowed to use hot button words like "crackpot". They should probably include IP addresses in their comments as well.

I had to start somewhere, didn't I? Yours truly, a new HN user. IP address: 115.64.60.28

Greetings to Balgowlah, Australia! What's the weather like? Here in the UK, it is raining incessantly, and Worcester up the road is flooding due the Severn bursting its banks.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by brazzy »

wavesounds wrote: post #134
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doughnuts, one of my favorite foods, can be part of a healthy diet Can they?

There's not a dietitian on this planet that when asked to define a "healthy diet" would include donuts. This guy is living in denial if he honestly think this.

Actually, any dietician who knows their stuff and isn't trying you sell you something on comission will allow for a "healthy diet" to include pretty much anything you want in sensible amounts. Because they know that people aren't going to stick to a diet that completely bans their favorit foods.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by brazzy »

smtddr wrote: post #58
pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

>>Doughnuts, one of my favorite foods, can be part of a healthy diet just like anything else. When you say "doughnut" you mean this[1], right? If so that's 100%, Grade A nonsense and abruptly ends any consideration I was giving your comment. 1. http://twincitiesdonut.com/images/donut.jpg

Great way to prove that you lack any understanding of dietary health AND cannot argue rationally.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by Uberphallus »

joyofdata wrote: post #152

XYLITOL :) We use it for coffee, baking, cocktails, Sushi rice and more. Xylitol has less intensive impact on the insulin system and does not cause a glycaemic peak as strong as you experience it with sugar. Xylitol is also proven to directly prevent Caries. There are numerous studies on Xylitol and its benefits - Google is your friend. How is it possible that in a thread on sugar even after 146 comments nobody menti…

Versandkosten (brutto) 12,90EUR

13 € to send 1 Kg to a neighbouring country? Really?

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by leoedin »

jeffdavis wrote: post #123
cperciva wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heroin is fine, all in moderation! In fact, numerous studies have found exactly this.

I'm sure that both sugar and heroin are fine in moderation. The problem is that moderate consumption of either is known to cause overconsumption. So, perhaps not so fine in an environment of abundance.

Most people eat sugar. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the proportion of people in the western world who have eaten sugar is close to 100%.

Not everyone is obese. Even in the US, where obesity is at its worst, it's around 35%. That suggests that 65% of people can consume sugar and then not become obese.

Certainly amongst my peer group of middle class graduates almost everyone eats sugar and almost nobody is obese. That suggests that people are perfectly capable of consuming moderate amounts of sugar without becoming rampant sugar addicts rapidly turning obese.

The physical cause of obesity may be the overconsumption of simple carbohydrates, but the socioeconomic distribution of obesity suggests that there's many factors which drive that consumption.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by pierreio »

StavrosK wrote: post #146
mixmastamyk wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar makes you feel like you're starving. You get sleepy at the peak, "starving" at the trough... like a repeating sine wave. Leads to overeating.

But who eats sugar to get full? I (and everyone I know) eat sweets after a meal, or because I see them, not because I expect to sate my hunger with it.

Lustig's point is that you don't know you're eating sugar when you actually are. Up to 10% corn syrup in white breads, sauces, any precooked meal, sausages. If you eat BBQ sauce, you're eating sugar.

Salt and sugar save low aroma food (>80% processed food). Their combined power on the human body is vicious.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by w0utert »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #20
pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

Doughnuts, one of my favorite foods, can be part of a healthy diet Can they?

I'd argue almost anything can be part of a healthy diet, when consumed in moderation. But in itself, there really is nothing in a doughnut your body needs, except energy. I wouldn't even call it 'food' in the sense that you eat it because your body needs it.

The OP seems to make a really big point out of justifying sugar as 'not a toxin' just because you can consume sugar without killing yourself or instantly getting fat. There's probably some denial and 'I like eating sugar' sentiment going on there or something.

I didn't find any convincing arguments as to why adding sugar to processed food, or consciously consuming suger because you think you need it is warranted. Alcohol can be part of healthy diet as well, or motor oil, for that matter. That doesn't mean these things are healthy, or that there aren't any health benefits not consuming those.

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