John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

Post by eclipxe » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 5:07 AM UTC

ynniv wrote: post #41

pvnick wrote: post #31

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>The insulin response to sugar is the primary way your body stores fat and sugar itself is readily converted to fat This is a common myth, but it's wrong. Dietary fat is what is primarily stored and leads to weight gain during caloric excess; dietary carbs just decrease the amount of fat being used for energy, but can also get stored as fat tissue during overfeeding in a process called de novo lipogenesis (which is w…

it all comes back to calories in vs calories out. 12 cans of Coke a day = healthy diet?

Post by eclipxe » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 5:11 AM UTC

jimeuxx wrote: post #48

eclipxe wrote: post #34

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Precisely. Experiment: eat 500 calories of sugar (ice cream, soda, candy). Wait 15-20 minutes, how hungry are you? Now, eat 500 calories of fat (heavy cream, bacon, pork belly, etc). Wait 15-20 minutes, how hungry are you? I've done this experiment a few times now, and without fail, I crave more food after the sugar and can't eat another bite after the fat.

I don't think the idea that junk food is bad for you is surprising to anyone, even if Lustig paints it as a revelation. Have you tried 500 calories worth of apples? The closer people move to actual food and sanity, the further I feel we'll move away from obesity. Rehashed sensationalism helps few other than diet gurus and their brand.

Post by cperciva » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 5:13 AM UTC

CEyzaguirre wrote: post #46

cperciva wrote: post #27

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Rates of type 2 diabetes are in the non-overweight population are extremely low. Skinny people can get type 1 diabetes, but that's a completely different disease -- acquired hypoinsulinaemia, as opposed to hyperlipedaemia. (Note, neither diabetes is essentially about glucose; it just happens that hyperglycaemia is a symptom of both diseases, and Aretaeus didn't know better.)

The only point I'm trying to make is that blood sugar is culprit of the numerous conditions afflicting wealthy countries, not just obesity. Clearly obesity isn't a neutral variable in this equation.

Post by oinksoft » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 5:14 AM UTC

pvnick wrote: post #36

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I'd like for you to actually explain how it's wrong to say that replacing a fat-heavy diet with a sugar-heavy diet is bad for health. You dismiss their premises and conclusions by saying they're looking at the wrong culprit for health problems. I'd prefer if you dealt with their premises and conclusions by falsifying said premises and conclusions.

I advocate moderation and balance. Consume reasonable calorie and macronutrient (protein, fat, carbohydrate) quantities. Eat what allows you to do that. For me, those carbs come from doughnuts and candy but also from brown rice and pasta. Just like my meats include both lean meats (chicken breast) and fatty, delicious meats (bacon). Combine this with exercise and all you'll avoid all the scary things the article talk…

  We estimated that 3.3% (95% CI 1.5% to 5.0%) of deaths
  could be prevented if all participants had a processed
  meat consumption of less than 20 g/day.

Post by sosborn » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 5:17 AM UTC

ynniv wrote: post #41

pvnick wrote: post #31

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>The insulin response to sugar is the primary way your body stores fat and sugar itself is readily converted to fat This is a common myth, but it's wrong. Dietary fat is what is primarily stored and leads to weight gain during caloric excess; dietary carbs just decrease the amount of fat being used for energy, but can also get stored as fat tissue during overfeeding in a process called de novo lipogenesis (which is w…

it all comes back to calories in vs calories out. 12 cans of Coke a day = healthy diet?