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Re: Girls and Software

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post #368

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Really? Aside from rather extreme or contrived situations, the average person in the real world simply does not witness multiple graphic deaths or see thousands of women naked. Can we at least consider that there might be a psychological impact of the fact that in one afternoon you can see more horrors and more nudity than 99.999999% of the world would have seen in a lifetime two decades ago? That there is so incredi…

I think you're committing a naturalistic fallacy here. Yes, there might be a psychological impact... but who's to say it's a bad psychological impact? The rise of access to both porn, and violent video-games (for which I'd assume gory imagery/videos would substitute) have been found to have an interesting correlation to a drop in real-world violence.

Many things correlate to drops in real-world violence. Heat correlates with increases in violence; that is not a reason to depopulate the equator and colonize the Antarctic.

In general, the reinforcement learning present in humans mean that neural systems that are activated more are more influential, easier to activate, etc.. Exposure to violent media unsurprisingly results in increased availability (basically, increased access speed) of violent cognitions and behaviors, and lowered emotional responses (which is not a good thing -- it is very good to be disgusted at violent images, this is indicative of a trait called empathy which can be very adaptive in even the modern world).

Humans are not designed, evolutionarily, to disbelieve things we see. In our evolutionary environment, everything we saw was real. Special effects did not exist. It is actually cognitively effortful to disbelieve -- making research participants complete distractor tasks while having them discriminate between information marked, explicitly, as true or false causes them to be less accurate at judging. When you see a video game character kill someone and experience reward, that is an observational learning experience that is associating positive valence with violent behaviors.

Within the scientific community there's virtually no disagreement on this topic. Denying it is in the same class as denying climate change.

There is definitely a causal link between violent media consumption and violent behavior. Violent media consumption is neither necessary nor sufficient for violent behavior, but it is causal.

(This also does not imply that violent media causes large violent outbursts -- heightened availability of aggressive behavior could manifest as simply as being more easily frustrated or having a slightly quicker temper. But very small effects build up over time, sometimes into large amounts of lost value.)

I suppose your rhetorical question could be read as a value statement, in that it's ethically subjective whether violent behaviors caused by violent media are "bad". But since you seem to care about drops in real-world violence, I'll assume that isn't the case.

Re: Girls and Software

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post #199
post #194

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When I was a teenager (which was not long ago), coding or being technical in general was entirely uncool, but widely acknowledged as powerful. People would come to me asking if I could "hack" various things ranging from friends Facebook accounts to banks. Teachers would ask you for help if things broke. At one point, the principal called me into his office to ask if I could help him trace a threat posted on the Inter…

I think that being technologically adept is low-status, and I don't think that being asked for help is much evidence to the contrary. I mean sure, being a lawyer is a high-status career and you will likely have people in your personal life constantly asking for your advice or favours, but car mechanics experience the same thing. Being a car mechanic is respected in a way , and people certainly understand how those sk…

That's a very good point, and it makes me reconsider my earlier statement.

Re: Girls and Software

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post #422

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Look at how feminists act, not at the definition in a random dictionary. That's in general good advice. For example, if somebody says they are your friend, look at how they act, not at what they say. "An alternative is paid leave for either partner (or the single parent) for example for a year -- with freedom to choose who stays home." This is already case in many countries (for example Germany), but women still stay…

> Look at how feminists act, not at the definition in a random dictionary. That's in general good advice. For example, if somebody says they are your friend, look at how they act, not at what they say. If someone says they are my friend, I assume they claim to be a friend according to the definition of the word "friend". If they're not my friend, then that doesn't change the definition of the word friend, it changes…

"If someone says they are my friend, I assume they claim to be a friend according to the definition of the word "friend"."

OK, good point. However friend is not really defined by Wikipedia. We all have an intuitive notion of what a friend is. Likewise I don't think people look on Wikipedia to check if they might be feminists.

My point is that many who say they are feminists because they want equal rights have actually joined forces with something much more negative instead.

"In either case, economic realities dictate who stays home and how long -- and that is an impediment to equal (parenting) rights."

But what if women choose jobs with lower pay but higher flexibility, so that they can stay at home with kids? Isn't that a sensible and reasonable choice? Which, btw., nobody is forced to make. There are plenty of women who earn a lot of money.

You will argue that society expects women to stay at home, but ultimately, people in the Western world are free to choose their own mates. I think a lot of men wouldn't mind staying at home and marrying well earning women.

As I said in other comments, I think it is actually a female privilege to be allowed to stay home, and also to choose jobs with lower wages. That's where I think feminists have it completely backwards.

If you think about it, why would a woman support a man staying at home? Why not pay a nurse instead, might be cheaper than paying half of your income. The other way round it doesn't work because women give childbirth.

Of course all the articles about relationships breaking when the woman earns more than the man make the cause out to be male desire for dominance and vanity. What if instead it is the women who can't cope with it - because they don't have to?

You look at the numbers and decide women must get a bad rap - you claim all you want is free choice for everyone. But the possibility that women chose their path deliberately doesn't enter your mind. That's the feminist bias at work. Which, btw., seems to assume women are stupid. Feminism is a weird beast indeed.

Another indicator that women's choices might not be so stupid at all is their significantly longer life expectancy over men's. Personally I'd happily trade a chunk of my pay check for a 10 years longer life.

Re: Girls and Software

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post #371

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It's interesting that you would draw the line at "photos of Hiroshima or liberated nazi death camps" because this is exactly what I was shown in school (at age 13 or 14) in history lessons. I assume the goal was to shock in order to remember that yes, the holocaust really happened, and it is our responsibility to not let something like this happen again (this is in Europe by the way). I know my friends were also into…

To be clear, I don't draw the line at "photos of Hiroshima or liberated nazi death camps" , that is an example of something that I believe is very far away from the line (on the side of being acceptable).

Oh I misread your comment, sorry.
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