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FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by elmindreda »

ye wrote: post #64
berkes wrote: post #52

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Honestly curious: > The strength of Photoshop is in its automation, ability to integrate with all kinds of things, ability to open a hundred different formats by default, plugins, .... This, as far as I can see, sums up Gimp very well. With its open scripting and plugin system (Python) which not only allows anyone to write simple automation scripts, but allows people like me to find importers, exporters, filetype sup…

The problems with GIMP, the last time I checked, were - no support for 16 bit, problems with color management, slow (photoshop is extremely optimized, and now has GPU support). Plus I hate the default UI - they need to redo it completely.

Proper 16-bit support is the big thing for the next release and it's significantly less slow since it got multithreading support in 2.8. Still slower than Photoshop, though.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by thinkpad20 »

henningtegen wrote: post #79
slashdotaccount wrote: post #77

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No Linux, no sale. Krita's been on Linux since 1998.

Sorry dude. We are focusing on Windows and Mac. But in the far future we might support Linux too... ;)

Maybe this is a simplistic view, but isn't the development process itself much nicer on Linux, simply because of the ability to program in a Unix environment? I guess you have that with OS X (which I use at work), but even there, is it that much of a leap to make code that works in OS X work in Linux?

That aside, it looks like an awesome product, good work so far. I like the focus on super fast and smooth operation; that's why I use Sublime Text :)

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by sovande »

henningtegen wrote: post #71

I am the lead developer of a application called Leonardo that we hope will be a future "Photoshop killer" when it comes to digital painting: http://www.getleonardo.com The main focus for us is speed and Leonardo is way faster then any other application including Photoshop (and it is still raster based). Leonardo is not finished yet, but it is possible to sign up on out beta list.

Will it support vector drawings also? The screen cast with "nobel english" was very nice and the tool you used to draw the box was cool, never seen that before.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by henningtegen »

thinkpad20 wrote: post #82
henningtegen wrote: post #79

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Sorry dude. We are focusing on Windows and Mac. But in the far future we might support Linux too... ;)

Maybe this is a simplistic view, but isn't the development process itself much nicer on Linux, simply because of the ability to program in a Unix environment? I guess you have that with OS X (which I use at work), but even there, is it that much of a leap to make code that works in OS X work in Linux? That aside, it looks like an awesome product, good work so far. I like the focus on super fast and smooth operation;…

I haven't developed that much on Linux so I can't really compare. Visual Studio for Windows which I mostly use is really good in my opinion.

Leonardo use as little OS specific stuff as possible to make porting easy so going from Windows to Mac (and maybe Linux in the future) shouldn't be that hard.

Thanks. Sublime Text has been one of the many inspirations for Leonardo! :)

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by fzltrp »

drvortex wrote: post #63
asdfs wrote: post #20

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Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

GIMP is not trying to emulate Photoshop. That is their problem. Really, they should ape every single one of Photoshop's functional features. Photoshop is the standard in the arts industry. Photoshop is also darn good at what it does, certainly no competitors even in the proprietary space. There were at one time: Corel Photopaint , and Paint Shop Pro and so on. Photoshop won that war for a reason. GIMP needs to be a F…

> Really, they should ape every single one of Photoshop's functional features.

That's a very uncertain territory there. What sort of legal action could Adobe start if gimp started mimmicking their flagship product UI? And who would pay the legal fees to support Gimp? Would you participate?

> Like dumping GTK and using Qt, for instance.

You're saying that as if it were just a finger snap away. GTK and QT are quite different in spirit and implementation. Besides, before becoming the Gnome Toolkit, GTK was really the Gimp Toolkit. It seems very unlikely that they would dump it in favor of QT, which is used by a major competiting desktop environment.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by henningtegen »

sovande wrote: post #83
henningtegen wrote: post #71

I am the lead developer of a application called Leonardo that we hope will be a future "Photoshop killer" when it comes to digital painting: http://www.getleonardo.com The main focus for us is speed and Leonardo is way faster then any other application including Photoshop (and it is still raster based). Leonardo is not finished yet, but it is possible to sign up on out beta list.

Will it support vector drawings also? The screen cast with "nobel english" was very nice and the tool you used to draw the box was cool, never seen that before.

In the first version there will be no vector stuff, we are focusing on raster. (but maybe in the future)

Thanks ;-)

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by galaktor »

zephjc wrote: post #72
ye wrote: post #64

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The problems with GIMP, the last time I checked, were - no support for 16 bit, problems with color management, slow (photoshop is extremely optimized, and now has GPU support). Plus I hate the default UI - they need to redo it completely.

There's http://www.gimpshop.com/ which is gimp with a Photoshop-like UI

I think GIMP has had a single-window photoshop-esque UI built in since 2.8

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by ye »

elmindreda wrote: post #81
ye wrote: post #64

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The problems with GIMP, the last time I checked, were - no support for 16 bit, problems with color management, slow (photoshop is extremely optimized, and now has GPU support). Plus I hate the default UI - they need to redo it completely.

Proper 16-bit support is the big thing for the next release and it's significantly less slow since it got multithreading support in 2.8. Still slower than Photoshop, though.

I've been hearing about the 16-bit support in GIMP for at least 5 years now. I will believe it when it gets released.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by stelonix »

byuu wrote: post #57
ANTSANTS wrote: post #48

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After expanding an image (as in, adding blank space on the borders), you have to manually expand every layer to fit the image, or you won't be able to draw anything in the new area. Deferring layer resize until you draw on the resized layer might have been an acceptable micro-optimization. Making me resize the layers myself is just stupid. Your editor has a problem when it's faster to copy the whole image into a new,…

> It's like the developers have never actually used it to draw something or edit a photo. That seems like an unfortunately common trend. If you ever try any of the hex editors on Linux (ghex, Bless, etc), it's very evident that they were written by people who have no experience actually using hex editors. It's as if they saw a missing tool on Linux, and decided to make it, despite having no personal experience or des…

Have you tried wxHexEditor? I found it as good as Hex Workshop, at least.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by smrtinsert »

CalRobert wrote: post #56
pekk wrote: post #14

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Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? Does Krita's interface closely mimic Photoshop's or what? What is your actual point?

Not about Krita, but the steaming pile of fail that is GIMP. No adjustment layers, and with that no non-destructive editing. No actions that somebody who doesn't know a scripting language can write. (Guess what! I CAN write Python but sometimes I just want to say "oh hey I need to do this 200 more times, I'll just hit record, click the buttons I want, stop recording, and make that action Cmd-F2"). Annoying save dialo…

yes. thank you for explaining so well how tiring gimp is. I feel like they actively reject any good ui idea if its photoshop like.
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