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FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by zb »

asdfs wrote: post #20
justin66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? I don't like GIMP specifically because of its user interface.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

I recently had to use GIMP on a Mac, and as of 2013 it remains completely unusable. Every action requires 15 clicks because the input focus is always in the wrong place. To make matters worse, there's no visual indication at all of where the input focus is, so you have to guess both where it is and where it wants it. I know a lot of this is down to a combination of cross-platform issues and GIMP's daft window model, but some of it applies even within a single window.

There's no visual difference between "nothing selected" and "everything selected" - both show a marquee border. There's not even akeyboard shortcut to drop a selection (Select -> None) afaict.

When you paste something, it appears in a separate "layer" - even if you're in quick mask mode. Want to move that thing you just pasted? Nope! You have to select the layer move tool first. Oh ho! But now your focus is in the wrong window. Not that you can see that.

It's unutterably painful.

The complaints about lack of features (adjustment layers in PhotoShop are great, and I really miss the Extract filter) are valid, but I used PhotoShop 2.5 and even though the UI was too complicated even back then, it was at least one order of magnitude easier to use than GIMP is 20(!) years later.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by drvortex »

asdfs wrote: post #20
justin66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? I don't like GIMP specifically because of its user interface.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

GIMP is not trying to emulate Photoshop. That is their problem. Really, they should ape every single one of Photoshop's functional features.

Photoshop is the standard in the arts industry. Photoshop is also darn good at what it does, certainly no competitors even in the proprietary space. There were at one time: Corel Photopaint , and Paint Shop Pro and so on. Photoshop won that war for a reason.

GIMP needs to be a FOSS Photoshop first. And if there are improvements they can include them. Like dumping GTK and using Qt, for instance.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by ye »

berkes wrote: post #52
ye wrote: post #9

Photoshop is not mainly a painting application, though it can be used as one. The strength of Photoshop is in its automation, ability to integrate with all kinds of things, ability to open a hundred different formats by default, plugins, 16-bit-per-channel support, color management, work with huge files, etc etc etc. This looks like a competitor for ArtRage or Corel Paint.

Honestly curious: > The strength of Photoshop is in its automation, ability to integrate with all kinds of things, ability to open a hundred different formats by default, plugins, .... This, as far as I can see, sums up Gimp very well. With its open scripting and plugin system (Python) which not only allows anyone to write simple automation scripts, but allows people like me to find importers, exporters, filetype sup…

The problems with GIMP, the last time I checked, were - no support for 16 bit, problems with color management, slow (photoshop is extremely optimized, and now has GPU support). Plus I hate the default UI - they need to redo it completely.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by anonymfus »

nitrogen wrote: post #7
archagon wrote: post #3

Great to hear! Krita is one of the few art programs that has real-time tiling, which seems like a great way to work on textures: http://krita.org/item/196-new-wraparound-tool

Nice. I've wanted a tiling tool like that for ages.

IIRC PaintCAD 4Windows had it, but it was added after developer became insane so it's usable only for him.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by dfc »

zb wrote: post #61
asdfs wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

I recently had to use GIMP on a Mac, and as of 2013 it remains completely unusable. Every action requires 15 clicks because the input focus is always in the wrong place. To make matters worse, there's no visual indication at all of where the input focus is, so you have to guess both where it is and where it wants it. I know a lot of this is down to a combination of cross-platform issues and GIMP's daft window model,…

> There's not even akeyboard shortcut to drop a selection (Select -> None) afaict.

Apple + shift + A

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by dfc »

morsch wrote: post #59
scriptproof wrote: post #31

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We should build a list of all the Gimp drawbacks somewhere. I would add for example: why several steps are involved to create a new image with a transparent background? I always create new images like that.

http://imgur.com/BwoFwdZ

I can not believe how complicated that was.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by angersock »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #54
angersock wrote: post #29

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Things that are obnoxious about the gimp: --Working with transparent layers and channels (compared with PS) is clunky. --Too much duplication of buttons and window tabs; there are like four ways of exiting the program from the same place (window toolbar, tool pallette toolbar, WM exit, right-click tool panel, etc.) --Weird script/filter difference (why are there both? why do some destroy undo history and others not?)…

Background: I'm a long time GIMP user. I've tried Photoshop in the past and hated it's way of doing things too - Corel Draw seemed to make most sense to me. Anyway the new pedantic approach to saving/exporting seems to be pretty unfriendly - like you say it chides you, you go to save and GIMP says "n-uh, you can only save in XCF; what you want is to 'export' to a new format". Argh! Whilst it's correct that you're exp…

Yep. It's one thing to simply have a "Save as..." dialog that only lists .xcf--then I have to figure out to use export instead and all is well.

But, to have that dialog box somehow actually say "Aha, we knew you were looking for those other formats, go here instead!" pretty much shows that the developers know what the user wants to do and are maliciously putting a roadblock in their way. It's smug and overbearing and quite annoying.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by dfc »

CalRobert wrote: post #56
pekk wrote: post #14

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Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? Does Krita's interface closely mimic Photoshop's or what? What is your actual point?

Not about Krita, but the steaming pile of fail that is GIMP. No adjustment layers, and with that no non-destructive editing. No actions that somebody who doesn't know a scripting language can write. (Guess what! I CAN write Python but sometimes I just want to say "oh hey I need to do this 200 more times, I'll just hit record, click the buttons I want, stop recording, and make that action Cmd-F2"). Annoying save dialo…

The script record bug[1] was entered into bugzilla on 2001-03-09. Reading the discussion is painful. This is targeted for 3.6, which one of the devs admits is most likely 4-8 years away.

[1]: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51937

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by Angostura »

mintplant wrote: post #28
knieveltech wrote: post #22

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It's fucking hard to use. What are you fishing for here?

Specific criticisms, perhaps? I, for one, prefer GIMP's user interface, and find Photoshop's unintuitive and difficult to use.

... and your specific criticisms of Photoshop are...?
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