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FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by scriptproof »

asdfs wrote: post #20
justin66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? I don't like GIMP specifically because of its user interface.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

We should build a list of all the Gimp drawbacks somewhere. I would add for example: why several steps are involved to create a new image with a transparent background? I always create new images like that.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by jjcm »

pekk wrote: post #14
justin66 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not once in that demo video did I see the usability monster leap out and try to stomp on anyone's balls. So it doesn't really invite comparison with the GIMP.

Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? Does Krita's interface closely mimic Photoshop's or what? What is your actual point?

My biggest issue a lot of times with "photoshop killers", is that they rarely tackle non-destructive editing (I believe gimp is included on this, but I haven't touched it for about a year now). Many have masking capabilities, but any lighting adjustments to an image or corrections in general are destructive edits (meaning they alter the underlying pixels of the source image). Non destructive edits are extremely important, especially if a client asks for changes later. It's much easier to change a slider on an adjustment layer than to undo a ton of your work because you can't return the original detail to a picture. When I'm doing a photomanipulation, I'll usually have a minimum of three adjustment layers on a source image, allowing me to fine tune the look I need. In alternatives, I can't do that. Once I apply a curve change, I cant tell Krita, "hey remember that curve adjustment I did 14 steps ago? Instead of that one, can you do a similar adjustment except with less highs in the red channel?" In photoshop I can. That's always been the major difference for me.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by InclinedPlane »

e12e wrote: post #23
asdfs wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

It's gotten better, but is still less consistent than Photoshop. Also, it suffers from being "not Photoshop" -- to the extent that there've been various(?) projects in changing the UI to mimic Photoshop (eg: gimpshop). Personally I've grown more accustomed to Gimp (and the UI has improved) -- but I still find Photoshop to be a better experience. But the difference is more subtle than it used to be.

> It's gotten better, but is still less consistent than Photoshop.

And that says a lot. Photoshop has a pretty clumsy UI. But it's serviceable and it's well known, so it's passable. GIMP, somehow, manages to be even worse. That's the downside of having a graphics tool designed by systems engineers.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by redditivist »

asdfs wrote: post #20
justin66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have any criticism more specific than that you don't like GIMP? I don't like GIMP specifically because of its user interface.

Can you go into more detail? I often wonder what issues people have with GIMP's UI.

One extremist person's view that Gimp should not support MDI (mulitple document interface) persisted for 15 years, then they relented and added MDI, after the person who was against MDI violently criticized Gimpshop (I think the homepage for gimpshop has been hijacked, don't use it). That person got others to start a lengthy and patronizing "UI ideas process" that was a smokescreen for going back on the MDI idea - when in reality the problem was the code to allow the UIs to dock properly - and to this day when I use GIMP the way they dock and tab the UIs goes against any learning model in my mind, and takes me forever to realize that what I am trying to find it hidden away somewhere.

There's no good model to the UI (and the problem isn't even a difficult one) because it's trying to straddle one person's personal ideas with a common and clear mental model of how certain actions should be grouped.

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by erikb »

I don't think something like Photoshop can be killed so easily. If Photoshop is Facebook, then this doesn't look like the successor, but like G+. Might have better features, but doesn't have the community.

And PS also has a huge set of commercially created plugins, filters, etc.

It's a pity, though. I really wish some FOSS project would make an end to PS!

Re: FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]

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Post by andrey-p »

shittyanalogy wrote: post #16
pekk wrote: post #8

Serious question: how is Krita a "Photoshop killer" and GIMP not one?

Why are you bringing up GIMP?

I think it's a fair question to ask, Gimp is the one app I've heard being called a "Photoshop killer". In fact I'd only ever heard of Gimp before reading this, and the first thing I did was to google "Gimp vs Krita".

That said, Krita looks pretty good. I'm mostly using Gimp for drawing and I'd be interested in trying an alternative.

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