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Re: Warsaw, August 1947

#61

Post by Kociub »

vacri wrote: post #47
Kociub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unfortunately not true. Great Britian declared war on Germany, but provided none support to Poland. This was also the case during the Warsaw Uprising. After the war has ended Poland has been sold by under the Russian occupacion. The polish fighter squadrons that took part in the battle of britain were not even allowed to join the wining parade. They were sent home to what was now considered an enemy state. Th…

Keep in mind that no-one but the Germans were aware that blitzkreig would be as fast as it was. Up until that point, war was a somewhat leisurely affair - this is the exact reason why France fell so ignomiously. War was declared, now we can start shifting things into place while the Poles hold the Germans and... holy shit, the Poles have collapsed in only five weeks. Same thing happened to the French - the German arm…

"Keep in mind that no-one but the Germans were aware that blitzkreig would be as fast as it was"

Yeah, that's a great excuse. That should be written in the anglo-polish military alliance:

"in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power... Unless of course the germans use tanks and move very quickly. In that case, sorry".

The UK did not ally itself with Poland to help them from being taken over. It was a way of saying to Hitler, that he can't just do what he wants in Europe (like anecting Czechoslovakia) without the Germans and French approving it. The war was immenent, and everybody seemd to know that except for Chamberlain. This was only an act of self interest on behalf of the UK, and hey, who could blame them for that?

What you can't reasonably argue though, is that they tried to really help Poland in the beginning of WW2, and that they didn't betray them at the end in Yalta. And the occupation by the Soviets really wasn't much better than by the Nazis.

There was no real plan to take the Soviets on, because the Allies had no real stake in it.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

#62

Post by philwelch »

simonh wrote: post #45
lostlogin wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fascinating thing about the Second World War is that several countries weren't fighting for survival, but for victory and power. Surely the big winner was the US. However Britain was in it to win from early on, as survival wasn't really the issue. The richer you were, the better you fared, unsurprisingly.

Survival wasn't really the issue? At the height of the U-Boat campaign we had a only few weeks worth of food supplies left in the country. We were loosing well over half a million tons of ships a month. If Japan had never attacked Pearl Harbour, the US would have just sat on it's hands and watched Britain collapse. Yes we broke the U-Boat codes, but without US ships and aircraft covering the western Atlantic, we woul…

Britain kind of volunteered to join the war in the first place though.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

#63

Post by [deleted] »

valtih1978 wrote: post #55
jedrek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today, Polish nazi do destroy the monument of the soviet solders, who liberated them, http://ru-facts.com/news/view/31587.html You mean the Soviet soldiers that invaded Poland in 1939, killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc, then rolled through again 4 years later only to stay as a way to prop up the communist regime for the next 45 years? I assure you, "Polish nazis" a…

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing…

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Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by valtih1978 »

atglawok wrote: post #58
valtih1978 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing…

Please do not abuse words like nazi and do not promote Russian propaganda here, do you argue with a mass murder that was confirmed to be done by Russians ? Or is it also some 'nazi' propaganda ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

I expected when you come up with this piece of Goebbels propaganda in order to justify your nazi wars. The very article you refer confirms that we have a piece of Goebbels propaganda. The polish officers, arrested by Soviet Union, have nothing to do with your "killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc" In fact, all politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, and etc. were fingting in the red army, against nazi. The officers that you are referring now, left in Katyn, were killed by Nazi. This atrocity was used by Goebbels to quarrel the Soviet and polish people in 1943, when it became apparent that germans are defeating and the truth will resurface. They were bonded by german ropes and killid from the german guns by german bullets. The fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence. Neither, it cannot be used to justify the fascist behaviour of polish burgeose (i.e. predatorish) policies. This is what you try to do: you use german Nazi propaganda to deny the truth and justify your crimes.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by cpfohl »

Slightly improved translation over the google translate version:

In the summer of 1947 a group of American designers visited England, Czechoslovakia and Poland, in order to assess the post-war reconstruction progress. The photos are from their visit in August in Warsaw. The Group extended their visit to Warsaw by a few days to meet with the architects from the Capital Office of Reconstruction and reported that their work commands respect.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by justincormack »

zbraniecki wrote: post #18
mdigi wrote: post #15

Building from the first picture, The Prudential[0], looks pretty much the same right now[1]. I don't know if the actual renovation started already or not but hopefully it'll be turned into this[2]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prudential,_Warsaw [1] https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=mapa+warszawa&ll=52.235936,21.... [2] http://www.bimarch.pl/cmsArchitectPortfolio/renderShow/id/6 Edit: wording. Edit2: I just remembere…

last time I visited Warsaw it was in much worse shape than on google maps photo. Hope it'll get into [2] soon :) p.s. I grew up really close to it - like a block away. Seeing photos of the streets around my block at the time when you could see horizon and ruins... frisson.

It was pretty awful when I stayed there many years ago.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by valtih1978 »

czechooo wrote: post #59
valtih1978 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing…

> I do not know what you are talking about. Search for Katyn massacre. Looking at your tone, you are either very indoctrinated and full of complexes OR it's just a provocation/joke. I prefer to think it's a second one.

Look for manufacturing consent and Noam Chomsky to understand why the facts that I tell seem outlandish to you. He speaks right about indoctrination, the indoctrination that turns white into black and vice-versa.

It says about "landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests". The same cleanup was done in the Soviet Union 10 years earlier. It is class struggle. There is nothing national in this question. 40 years later, in the 199x, this class of "intelligent people" killed much more workers in their capitalism restoration. You cannot justify your fascism/nacism by the class war conducted.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by jedrek »

valtih1978 wrote: post #55
jedrek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today, Polish nazi do destroy the monument of the soviet solders, who liberated them, http://ru-facts.com/news/view/31587.html You mean the Soviet soldiers that invaded Poland in 1939, killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc, then rolled through again 4 years later only to stay as a way to prop up the communist regime for the next 45 years? I assure you, "Polish nazis" a…

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing…

> SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist.

This territory was agreed upon in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, so how could the SU move to save territory after the Polish government fell, if it had already agreed to split it up before it fell?

Also, if you say that it's the Soviet Union's territory, why was a large part of it returned after WWII?

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

#69

Post by giarc »

Mchl wrote: post #6
selmnoo wrote: post #2

I apologize for being nit-picky here, but please upload it somewhere other than Facebook. (It's just a personal policy to not visit Facebook and give them any data about me, and I'm sure there are others like me here).

It wasn't the HN poster who uploaded these pictures. Here you go, mostly same content from another source: http://pokazywarka.pl/hi4dlh/

Interesting if the original commenter will visit this link. Won't visit Facebook but will visit a random .pl link with a name that means nothing to those who don't speak polish.

Re: Warsaw, August 1947

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Post by jedrek »

valtih1978 wrote: post #64
atglawok wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not abuse words like nazi and do not promote Russian propaganda here, do you argue with a mass murder that was confirmed to be done by Russians ? Or is it also some 'nazi' propaganda ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

I expected when you come up with this piece of Goebbels propaganda in order to justify your nazi wars. The very article you refer confirms that we have a piece of Goebbels propaganda. The polish officers, arrested by Soviet Union, have nothing to do with your "killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc" In fact, all politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy,…

Polish predatroish policies?
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