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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by angryasian »

girvo wrote: post #475
angryasian wrote: post #331

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>businesses can't opt out of how they're listed. This makes 0 sense. You can absolutely opt out, but wouldn't every business want to be at the top. I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google. >bundling I think its referred to single sign on in the enterprise world. Its much better than having to remember different logons and profiles for every goog…

I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google. Not a chance... about the same as Linux has at beating Windows on the desktop, in my opinion. It's too entrenched, too far ahead, barrier to entry to even get to a level playing field is too high... I'd love to see it, to be honest. I hope beyond hope it will happen. But I think it's more likely to see so…

we'll have to agree to disagree. Search is plain and simple a utility. If the utility is better then people will switch.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by JRobertson »

beagle3 wrote: post #522
CmonDev wrote: post #496

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WPF

You forgot the sarcasm tags, I see. Or you don't have much experience with WPF. It might be nice in theory, but I've had to work around enough bugs marked "wontfix" that I recommend everyone stay away.

I have years of experience with WPF & Silverlight and agree that it has high learning curve, but once you know it there really isn't much of anything you can't to simpler, faster, and more elegantly than in HTML5, if you have a back end you need to interact with.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by oblio »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #476
code_duck wrote: post #468

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Sure, Windows is more than a kernel. I imagine the NT kernel vs the Linux kernel would be roughly comparable. But to compare 'Linux' the OS to Windows would mean Windows vs. GNU/Linux/X.org/Gnome/KDE... or say, the source for every package in the base Debian distribution.

Exactly. Now imagine that every part of it was just as bloated and convoluted as you'd imagine.

I doubt that Windows is monolithic/bloated. Convoluted sure, backwards compatibility is a bitch, but Windows is probably broken into neat little modules by now.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by oblio »

CmonDev wrote: post #496
eric-hu wrote: post #492

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What's your suggested alternative to html5?

WPF

Turning HMTL 5 into a competent application platform = million of man hours.

Convincing Google, Apple, Mozilla, the rest of the universe to adopt Microsoft's closed platform (even if it were Open Sourced) = billions of billions of man hours :)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by marcosdumay »

anoncow wrote: post #530
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

This is an amazing idea. I am sure there is a way to charge for licenses for completely open source software. Will Satya do this? Can he do this?

Microsoft won't be able to charge much for Windows anymore. They are already squeezing the price, and losing market share at the same time.

Maybe open sourcing Windows will keep their other products at the positive for longer.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by cookiecaper »

anoncow wrote: post #530
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

This is an amazing idea. I am sure there is a way to charge for licenses for completely open source software. Will Satya do this? Can he do this?

It's pretty hard to do it with a conventional OSI certified license. Anyone can rebuild your product and resell it or give it away. Red Hat tried something similar but CentOS still existed.

Microsoft could come up with their own license that was "open source" but not "free software" by Stallman's definitions (ignoring here the people who've attempted to make these terms synonymous), which would allow people to change code and distribute freely among license holders, but not allow people to resell or just give out copies of Windows. I'd actually be really excited about this, because I think the FSF is overboard with their demand that everyone essentially make their software unsellable.

They could go the Red Hat route, go GPL, accept that they'll no longer get money for software licenses but instead support contracts (they could even try selling these to consumers; Dell would pay MS $50/PC not for a copy of Windows, but for a subscription to Windows Update). This would shift the dynamics of the company a bit, but probably not as much as one may think, since enterprise keeps MS afloat anyway, and it may be a good solution.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by beagle3 »

JRobertson wrote: post #532
beagle3 wrote: post #522

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You forgot the sarcasm tags, I see. Or you don't have much experience with WPF. It might be nice in theory, but I've had to work around enough bugs marked "wontfix" that I recommend everyone stay away.

I have years of experience with WPF & Silverlight and agree that it has high learning curve, but once you know it there really isn't much of anything you can't to simpler, faster, and more elegantly than in HTML5, if you have a back end you need to interact with.

Except ...

Some things only work in Silverlight, some only in WPF, and mixing both at the same time is a royal pain.

There are a LOT of bugs and regressions in WPF4 that are "wontfix", were supposed to be fixed in 4.5 or 5.0, but that's never going to happen. (Google "wpf 3.5 4.0 bug wontfix" to see a very incomplete list of regressions. I've met some of these myself, and some that are not on the first two pages).

And lastly, unlike Silverlight (Mac or Win, no Android, no iOS, no Linux), HTML5 is much more widely available (and with an easier graceful degradation path). The only place where using WPF or Silverlight makes sense today is when your target audience is using a locked down system - e.g. an enterprise with tightly controlled client machines. Otherwise, it's a no-go just from this perspective.

I didn't find the learning curve intimidating, FWIW. But the experience with using and deploying me scarred me.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by rbanffy »

michaelhoffman wrote: post #217
rbanffy wrote: post #101

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Another way you can read it is with a comparison with Stephen Elop and Rick Belluzzo. Could he have intentionally mis-managed OS/2 leaving the space open for Windows 3, being then rewarded by a position at Microsoft's board? I know nothing about his career or his decisions WRT the OS/2 product, but, after having a closer look at the other two, a pattern of executive placement as an offensive weapon starts to form. ed…

He's only been on the Microsoft board since 2012, which is nearly 20 years after the release of OS/2 Warp. That is pretty a far-fetched scenario in this case.

I agree. I don't know where he was in the meantime and what his relationship with Microsoft was during that time. If OS/2 was sabotaged from within, it was, quite possibly, the first time Microsoft did it.

It's far-fetched anyway. Belluzzo is much less far-fetched and Elop is pretty obvious.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by yuhong »

cookiecaper wrote: post #536
anoncow wrote: post #530

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This is an amazing idea. I am sure there is a way to charge for licenses for completely open source software. Will Satya do this? Can he do this?

It's pretty hard to do it with a conventional OSI certified license. Anyone can rebuild your product and resell it or give it away. Red Hat tried something similar but CentOS still existed. Microsoft could come up with their own license that was "open source" but not "free software" by Stallman's definitions (ignoring here the people who've attempted to make these terms synonymous), which would allow people to change…

This remind me of Unix source licenses.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mitchty »

freehunter wrote: post #272
mitchty wrote: post #199

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Yep we only install virus scanners at email gateways to make the exchange servers not die. The virus scanners are for windows, never had any auditor for sox or pci ask about software, sounds like a shit auditor.

Our PCI auditors like to see anti-virus on every machine, Windows, Linux, Mac, or Unix. That might not be a requirement, but every year they ask to see our AV solution for everything.

From our PCI implementation documentation I don't see any requirement of AV on every operating system.

Asking doesn't necessarily facilitate the need to do that thing necessarily.

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