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Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by mmoche »

jusben1369 wrote: post #113
edent wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are two problems with that scenario. 1) There may not be other services in the area - or all services throttle. Your only solution is to move house. 2) The user may not realise it is their ISP which is the problem. "NetFlix sucks - it's so slow. But TimeWarnerCastPlayer is awesome - it's so fast!" NetFlix isn't "squeezing" anyone. Customers are requesting data through their ISP, NetFlix are sending it as…

Netflix has an ISP tracker on their site that shows performance by ISP. Trust me, if they know your ISP is a "throttler" they have the ways to get this in front of you and highlight "Hey you're having a crappy experience because you're using X and they throttle us. Y wants your business and will give you a $150 coupon to change. Click here now"

Y may want my business, but Y isn't available at my address.

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Post by bestdayever »

lucb1e wrote: post #52
eksith wrote: post #18

Oh dear. Looks like the work left for Google Fiber isn't done yet. Hoping they'll make a run in New York (or at least upstate where I intend to move), but that's a long shot. I wonder how much independent ISPs could make if they stick to a small list of customers, but take up the "We Don't Throttle" stance.

Google Fiber is the worst idea ever. You know this company makes the vast majority of its income through advertising and collecting data about you, right? I understand that it's a great service for a great price, but the question is how long that remains sustainable. Right now they're sitting on such a pile of money that it doesn't matter whether they provide internet access in a few cities at a super cheap price. Th…

>Google Fiber is the worst idea ever. You know this company makes the vast majority of its income through advertising and collecting data about you, right?

You never actually made a point here, do you have one? Obviously google makes money through advertising so getting you fast internet allows you to see more ads, is that a bad trade off?

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by njharman »

padseeker wrote: post #55

How do we, IT savvy people capable of monitoring, testing and verifying this stuff, use our collective skills to monitor each ISP and communicate who is doing the best/worst job? As long as there is at least one ISP provider who is not throttling traffic, we should reward that ISP that does not discriminate on web traffic, and punish the ones that do. You might have to show some differences across different regions a…

It would be easier to just get Net Neutrality into the law / regulations.

Or, just ask the NSA who is already collecting ALL THE TRAFFIC!!!

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Post by kylemaxwell »

awakeasleep wrote: post #180
spinlock wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I'm glad to see that hn still knows what exponential growth is. It really bugs me when people abuse the term.

I think people get confused by the Startup rule of Descriptive Speech which states that all growth is exponential, all interfaces are gorgeous, and all teams are composed of A players.

And all design is beautiful.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

lucb1e wrote: post #162
650REDHAIR wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh definitely MB. It was miserable having to reset the phone every few minutes.

Phone? You mean your internet connection at home, not mobile data right? 250MB indeed sounds miserable.

Yes it was mobile phone data, I should have been more clear in the original reply. Looks like I can't edit it now.

I had no problems with data speed/cap before they phased out the unlimited tier. I was grandfathered in, but like I said, it was never the same. I primarily worked from the phone during that period and it was a constant struggle. Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if Verizon, across all of it's services, throttled traffic.

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Post by cpwright »

freeasinfree wrote: post #118
waps wrote: post #59

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The netflix data itself points to a gradual lowering of bandwidth to their service. Now here's 2 scenarios : 1) Verizon decided to enter some router configurations that affect the packet forwarding to Netflix (well, most likely FROM netflix, as the internet is not actually symmetrical). What we should see as a result of this is a sudden change in bandwidth. 2) The load on the interfaces in between is changing, either…

NetFlix actually offers peering for ISPs: https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/faq This is a boon for indie ISPs who are too small to host a cache as the bandwidth is cheap and it makes Super HD streams available. I wouldn't call NetFlix a bad netizen.

It isn't even just "indie" ISPs who do it. Cablevision's Optimum Online, which is probably the biggest internet provider on Long Island and Westchester has a peering relationship with Netflix, and lands at #2 on the speed chart, just behind Google Fiber: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/usa

It is also worth noting, that FIOS was #6. I do wonder if that has really changed or not.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by __david__ »

twoodfin wrote: post #136
jkrems wrote: post #130

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If you offer unlimited bandwidth and it's not working out financially, the solution is one of the two: 1. Increase the price for the subscription 2. Remove unlimited bandwidth for the subscription and go back to volume based models It's pretty simple, really. You offer a product where cost is higher than revenue? Change the product, change your process, or change the price.

I don't understand: If under total load, with every customer pulling the maximum possible bandwidth simultaneously, Comcast could give you 250Kbps, you want them to sell a product that only gives you 250Kbps all the time just so their advertising will be accurate? Like everything else, there's fine print: 20Mbps or whatever is described as a maximum speed, and many people actually see burst speeds that high. But as i…

> If under total load, with every customer pulling the maximum possible bandwidth simultaneously, Comcast could give you 250Kbps, you want them to sell a product that only gives you 250Kbps all the time just so their advertising will be accurate?

No, their advertising just needs to be accurate! They need to say "250Kbp bandwidth, max peak 20Mb". The real number has to be the lead, not the BS peak number. There's a parallel here to audio amplifiers. Advertising the peak wattage and not the RMS is stupid and deceptive.

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Post by ninjac0der »

njharman wrote: post #183
padseeker wrote: post #55

How do we, IT savvy people capable of monitoring, testing and verifying this stuff, use our collective skills to monitor each ISP and communicate who is doing the best/worst job? As long as there is at least one ISP provider who is not throttling traffic, we should reward that ISP that does not discriminate on web traffic, and punish the ones that do. You might have to show some differences across different regions a…

It would be easier to just get Net Neutrality into the law / regulations. Or, just ask the NSA who is already collecting ALL THE TRAFFIC!!!

Because more regulation is a good idea when education about the problem is this low...

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by specialp »

Verizon may not purposely throttle content but they are certainly uncooperative because they want to be paid from the big bandwidth consumers. This is why Google is trying to make it more transparent to users who is to fault when you can barely watch YouTube in 360P on FIOS during some periods when speed tests to other locations yield 50Mbit. http://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/#how_video_gets...
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