To the people saying that you shouldn't trust some tech support guy, I counter with this: He is acting as representative on behalf of Verizon. Verizon trained them and Verizon gave them the scripts to read so that this tech will properly represent Verizon.
Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?
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Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?
#72I just spun up an EC2 instance (US-East) and threw a bunch of 100MB-1GB test files on it. I'm on Verizon FiOS here at home, residential service, and they all downloaded at ~20Mb/s, which is the line speed I'm paying for. Anecdotally, I watch Netflix every night and haven't noticed a buffering/quality issue. I'll have to try the download test again later.
The author said this was happening specifically after 4pm.
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#73I have experienced exactly this on Comcast. Suddenly, about two months ago, Netflix and Hulu became terrible to watch. I thought maybe it was my cable modem, so I upgraded it and still no luck. So I signed up for a VPN service and tested watching Netflix and Hulu both on the VPN and off. Sure enough, when on the VPN, I get the highest quality picture. When I disconnected the VPN, Netflix dropped down to about 500kbps…
Interesting I have been watching Netflix more than ever but I havent had any problem. I'm also using Comcast in Atlanta I wonder if its based on region?
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#74I just spun up an EC2 instance (US-East) and threw a bunch of 100MB-1GB test files on it. I'm on Verizon FiOS here at home, residential service, and they all downloaded at ~20Mb/s, which is the line speed I'm paying for. Anecdotally, I watch Netflix every night and haven't noticed a buffering/quality issue. I'll have to try the download test again later.
Just FYI - I'm only seeing the slowdowns in the evening.
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#75Switch to t-mobile. Screw verizon
Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
The netflix data itself points to a gradual lowering of bandwidth to their service. Now here's 2 scenarios : 1) Verizon decided to enter some router configurations that affect the packet forwarding to Netflix (well, most likely FROM netflix, as the internet is not actually symmetrical). What we should see as a result of this is a sudden change in bandwidth. 2) The load on the interfaces in between is changing, either…
> So ISPs are desperate. Their costs are spiralling out of control Isn't the cost to deliver a gigabyte of traffic something less than five cents, and decreasing?
Which means the profit margin is shrinking. It's not all about whether you're in the red or in the black, it's about how much profit you're making.
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#77Oh dear. Looks like the work left for Google Fiber isn't done yet. Hoping they'll make a run in New York (or at least upstate where I intend to move), but that's a long shot. I wonder how much independent ISPs could make if they stick to a small list of customers, but take up the "We Don't Throttle" stance.
Google Fiber is the worst idea ever. You know this company makes the vast majority of its income through advertising and collecting data about you, right? I understand that it's a great service for a great price, but the question is how long that remains sustainable. Right now they're sitting on such a pile of money that it doesn't matter whether they provide internet access in a few cities at a super cheap price. Th…
They would be stupid to allow servers. Buy your own business line if you want that. Google doesn't want others losing bandwidth because some people want to run servers.
Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?
#78I've updated the blog post to also include traceroutes from the 2 sites. I'm not a networking expert, but since the traffic is ultimately going through the same network - peering should be a non issue. Feel free to let me know if this is significant or not.
There are really too many variables to have any idea. For example, in both instances I see that your traceroute identifies the hop to your router, and you're using the 192.168.1.0 private network. Since your business example shows actual reverse dns lookups (from the looks of it), I'm guessing it uses a commercial switch.
Unfortunately, there's no way to determine the actual cause of the slow down.
For instance, you said that the slow down happens after 5pm, which quite literally is when 80+% of the working force gets off work. It could also be an artifact of AWS, and not Verizon FIOS.
Also, 2 instances does not a trend make. There's no way to know if you're one of those people who were sent a letter because they were using terabytes of data a month, and they're simply protecting the network traffic of 99% of their other users. Granted, I assume you aren't, but I can't be 100% sure.
For a truly independent test, you'd need the same modem/access device, without a local switch (i.e. a machine connected directly to the modem), and you would need VPN access to test both identifiable and non-identifiable traffic.
If you could verify that Netflix traffic through the VPN, on the same network, without any interference through the router, was delivering much more bandwidth than the same Netflix traffic, but in the open (not through the VPN), and could do so for a statistically significant portion of the Verizon FIOS user base, then you'd have reason to complain. Until then, I don't see your claim being taken very seriously.
Just my opinion though, ymmv
Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
The netflix data itself points to a gradual lowering of bandwidth to their service. Now here's 2 scenarios : 1) Verizon decided to enter some router configurations that affect the packet forwarding to Netflix (well, most likely FROM netflix, as the internet is not actually symmetrical). What we should see as a result of this is a sudden change in bandwidth. 2) The load on the interfaces in between is changing, either…
> So ISPs are desperate. Their costs are spiralling out of control Isn't the cost to deliver a gigabyte of traffic something less than five cents, and decreasing?
That's at best the average cost. You can also deliver a few terabytes for something like $3 in postage if you ship a tape, but that average cost would be deceptively low if you were trying to use that bandwidth to watch Netflix.
The real cost is building the infrastructure to handle higher and higher peak bandwidth. Suppose you're Comcast with 20 million subscribers, half of whom are trying to watch 5Mbit Super-HD Netflix during prime time. That's 5 terabit, and even if you could agree with Netflix's providers to divide it up geographically, it's still an outrageous amount of bits to figure out how to ship.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Comcast/Verizon/AT&T/et al already have terrible reputations. They also have dominant local monopolies and the legislative power to defend them.
I disagree. Here in Florida, Verizon FIOS has an excellent reputation and the product is far superior to the other choices we have. It's also the first place I've lived where I have choice (Brighthouse being the other player). Time Warner and Comcast are definitely among the worst though, and I suspect that if the OP is correct, it won't be long until Verizon joins them.
Verizon FIOS is exactly the product the article was complaining about...
> I realized that the one thing in common between me and our president was that we both had FiOS internet service from Verizon.