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Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Net Neutrality is fine. The FCC just needs to reclassify internet providers as common carriers rather than information services. To quote from the Washington Post [1]: "Broadband is currently classified by the FCC as an information service, a category that gives the agency a fairly limited set of regulatory options. If Internet providers were classified instead as common carriers, the FCC's rule would likely stand. I…

So what does the legal roadmap look like going forward for the FCC?

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By far the most correct observation. These guys are just following a script - they probably don't even know what half of the words mean. Please don't read anything into it or assume the outsourced support is somehow privy to anything at all that goes on inside Verizon other than what the FAQ system he's using tells him on screen.

The netflix data itself points to a gradual lowering of bandwidth to their service. Now here's 2 scenarios : 1) Verizon decided to enter some router configurations that affect the packet forwarding to Netflix (well, most likely FROM netflix, as the internet is not actually symmetrical). What we should see as a result of this is a sudden change in bandwidth. 2) The load on the interfaces in between is changing, either…

> So ISPs are desperate. Their costs are spiralling out of control

Isn't the cost to deliver a gigabyte of traffic something less than five cents, and decreasing?

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Someone should write a speed test website that looks to read from a set of common cloud services and then compares the speeds and records this based on ISP and location. This shouldn't be hard to setup and you'll get a ton of page views probably for ever. One can then see degradations over time and based on ISP. Would be even nicer to have some controls in there too so you can see if well known cloud services are slo…

Netflix already do this, http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/

I'm a little confused by the average speed reported in their speed index. Not sure about the others, but I know Comcast and AT&T both offer several speed tiers. Is their average speed reported here affected by the percentage of customers who purchase the lowest tier?

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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I have experienced exactly this on Comcast. Suddenly, about two months ago, Netflix and Hulu became terrible to watch. I thought maybe it was my cable modem, so I upgraded it and still no luck. So I signed up for a VPN service and tested watching Netflix and Hulu both on the VPN and off. Sure enough, when on the VPN, I get the highest quality picture. When I disconnected the VPN, Netflix dropped down to about 500kbps…

An excellent test. If a VPN makes something faster, despite the fact that it adds overhead to the process, that seems like proof that it's being throttled.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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I have experienced exactly this on Comcast. Suddenly, about two months ago, Netflix and Hulu became terrible to watch. I thought maybe it was my cable modem, so I upgraded it and still no luck. So I signed up for a VPN service and tested watching Netflix and Hulu both on the VPN and off. Sure enough, when on the VPN, I get the highest quality picture. When I disconnected the VPN, Netflix dropped down to about 500kbps…

An excellent test. If a VPN makes something faster, despite the fact that it adds overhead to the process , that seems like proof that it's being throttled.

Oh, and the even more galling part... when watching Hulu on regular Comcast (without the VPN), the shows average around 500-900kbps. When it flips over to displaying the commercials, it jumps to 8Mbps or more!

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Oh dear. Looks like the work left for Google Fiber isn't done yet. Hoping they'll make a run in New York (or at least upstate where I intend to move), but that's a long shot. I wonder how much independent ISPs could make if they stick to a small list of customers, but take up the "We Don't Throttle" stance.

Google Fiber is the worst idea ever. You know this company makes the vast majority of its income through advertising and collecting data about you, right? I understand that it's a great service for a great price, but the question is how long that remains sustainable. Right now they're sitting on such a pile of money that it doesn't matter whether they provide internet access in a few cities at a super cheap price. Th…

Google disallowed servers initially as a non-insignificant number of people thought of the service as an easy entry into mass virtual hosting as soon as they got it. That started to affect throughput[1]. As mentioned numerous times elsewhere, their ultimate goal is to embarrass ISPs into providing better service. That seems to be working in Texas ATM. The hobbyists that complained got an exemption in their TOS for non-commercial use[2].

Of course, Google is collecting information about me. As is every other ISP (Verizon and Comcast hijack domain misspellings to redirect to their search pages), which is why VPNs and Tor are so popular right now.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/google...

[2] https://support.google.com/fiber/answer/2659981

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Slightly off topic: I'm very lucky to live in the Netherlands if I compare the average speeds, even with the mediocre ISPs, with the rest of the countries where Netflix is active. See: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/netherlands

You can't really compare a small densely populated country such as the Netherlands to a huge country with large rural areas such as the United States. If you live in an urban area here (such as the Bay Area) you get excellent speeds as well.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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I just spun up an EC2 instance (US-East) and threw a bunch of 100MB-1GB test files on it.

I'm on Verizon FiOS here at home, residential service, and they all downloaded at ~20Mb/s, which is the line speed I'm paying for.

Anecdotally, I watch Netflix every night and haven't noticed a buffering/quality issue. I'll have to try the download test again later.

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